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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know that Trumpists dismiss Max Boot. But they also dismiss the crimes of Trump's henchmen and children. Too much here to be coincidence.

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By Max Boot
Columnist
January 13
On Friday, the New York Times reported that “in the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests.” That investigation may well be continuing under the auspices of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. We don’t know what Mueller has learned. But we can look at the key, publicly available evidence that both supports and undercuts this explosive allegation.

Here is some of the evidence suggesting “Individual 1” could be a Russian “asset”:

— Trump has a long financial history with Russia. As summarized by Jonathan Chait in an invaluable New York magazine article: “From 2003 to 2017, people from the former USSR made 86 all-cash purchases — a red flag of potential money laundering — of Trump properties, totaling $109 million. In 2010, the private-wealth division of Deutsche Bank also loaned him hundreds of millions of dollars during the same period it was laundering billions in Russian money. ‘Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,’ said Donald Jr. in 2008. ‘We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia,’ boasted Eric Trump in 2014.” According to Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s guilty plea of lying to Congress, Trump was even pursuing his dream of building a Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign with the help of a Vladimir Putin aide. These are the kind of financial entanglements that intelligence services such as the FSB typically use to ensnare foreigners, and they could leave Trump vulnerable to blackmail.

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— The Russians interfered in the 2016 U.S. election to help elect Trump president.

— Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails on July 27, 2016 (“Russia, if you’re listening”), on the very day that Russian intelligence hackers tried to attack Clinton’s personal and campaign servers.

— There were, according to the Moscow Project, “101 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia linked operatives,” and “the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.” The most infamous of these contacts was the June 9, 2016, meeting at Trump Tower between the Trump campaign high command and a Kremlin emissary promising dirt on Clinton. Donald Trump Jr.’s reaction to the offer of Russian assistance? “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

— The Trump campaign was full of individuals, such as Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates and Michael Flynn, with suspiciously close links to Moscow.


— Manafort, who ran the Trump campaign for free and was heavily in debt to a Russian oligarch, now admits to offering his Russian business partner, who is suspected of links to Russian intelligence, polling data that could have been used to target the Russian social media campaign on behalf of Trump.

— Trump associate Roger Stone, who was in contact with Russian conduit WikiLeaks, reportedly knew in advance that the Russians had hacked Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails. (Stone has denied it .)

— Once in office, Trump fired Comey to stop the investigation of the “Russia thing” — and then bragged about having done so to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister while also sharing with them top-secret information. Later, Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions because he would not end the special counsel investigation that resulted after the firing of Comey. As Lawfare editor Benjamin Wittes argues, “the obstruction was the collusion” — Trump has been effectively protecting the Russians by trying to impede the investigation of their attack on the United States.


— Trump has refused to consistently acknowledge that Russia interfered in the U.S. election or mobilize a government-wide effort to stop future interference. He has accepted Putin’s protestations that the Russians did not meddle in the election over the “high confidence” assessment of the U.S. intelligence community that they did.

— Like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the Justice Department and the FBI (“a cancer in our country”) — two institutions that stand on the front lines of combatting Russian espionage and influence operations in the United States.

— Again, like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the European Union and NATO — he has suggested that France should leave the E.U. and that the United States should leave NATO, reportedly saying, “NATO is as bad as NAFTA.” The E.U. and NATO are the two major obstacles to Russian designs in Europe.


— Trump supports populist, pro-Russian leaders in Europe, such as Viktor Orban in Hungary and Marine Le Pen in France, just as the Russians do.

— Trump has praised Putin (“a strong leader”) while trashing just about everyone else from grade-B Hollywood celebrities to leaders of allied nations. Trump even praised Putin for expelling U.S. diplomats and, notwithstanding instruction from his aides (“DO NOT CONGRATULATE”), congratulated Putin on winning a rigged reelection.

— Trump was utterly supine in his meetings with Putin, principally in Hamburg and Helsinki. Even more suspicious, according to a Post article on Saturday, Trump “has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with . . . Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials . . . Several officials said they were never able to get a reliable readout of the president’s two-hour meeting in Helsinki.”


— Trump defends the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and repeats other pro-Russian talking points.

— Trump is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, handing that country to Russia and its ally Iran.

— Trump has effectively done nothing in response to the Russian attack on Ukrainian ships in international waters, thereby encouraging greater Russian aggression.

— Trump is sowing chaos in the government, most recently with a record-breaking partial government shutdown and “acting” appointees in key posts such as the Defense Department and Justice Department, thus furthering a Russian objective of undermining its chief adversary.

Now that we’ve listed 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset, let’s look at the exculpatory evidence:

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I can’t think of anything that would exonerate Trump aside from the difficulty of grasping what once would have seemed unimaginable: that a president of the United States could actually have been compromised by a hostile foreign power.


In his own defense, Trump claims he has been tougher on Russia “than any other President,” but literally in the next sentence he says, “getting along with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing.” When the United States actually has taken steps to get tough with Russia in the past two years, it has usually been the work of Congress (the 2017 Russia sanctions bill) or Trump aides (expelling 60 Russian diplomats). The Post reports that Trump was “furious” when his administration was portrayed as being tough on Russia, and NBC News reports that he instructed subordinates never to publicly discuss plans to sell weapons to Ukraine.

This is hardly a “beyond a reasonable doubt” case that Trump is a Russian agent — certainly not in the way that Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames were. But it is a strong, circumstantial case that Trump is, as former acting CIA director Michael Morell and former CIA director Michael V. Hayden warned during the 2016 campaign, “an unwitting agent of the Russian federation” (Morell) or a “useful fool” who is “manipulated by Moscow” (Hayden). If Trump isn’t actually a Russian agent, he is doing a pretty good imitation of one.



Mac you continue to embarrass yourself on a daily basis with your foolish conspiracy BS.... Comey absolutely should have been fired. So what does the deep state do? try to open an investigation based on nothing but revenge. That's why most in leadership are gone and Comey is the most disgraced FBI leader in history.


I'm curious. Who is this deep state and how do they benefit from trying to open an investigation? If successful, what is the reward for the deep state in exacting revenge through their investigation?



Were you born with your head up your ass???
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I can play too! Were you born with no brain? Laughing

Clearly you have no answers beacuse all you can do is regurgitate talking points. No capacity for substantive debate, just insults.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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30 indictments Matty. 30 fucking indictments. Witch hunt on. Deep state on.


And not one involves Trump and collusion you stupid shit. Mueller has nothing on Trump nitwit, zero. His best bet now is obstruction of justice that is laughable.


You retards on the left seem to ignore that the cast of characters in charge of this bogus witch hunt are going down one by one, with more criminal charges on the way.


Trump is going nowhere DB, He will be YOUR president for at least two more years.


if we had a Democrat after him, which it should have been trump would be in jail now for treason. but we have a life long republican doing the investigation. geee all branches of government were right wing and we get a Republican in charge of investigating trump. gee the last FBI head leaked and went public to stop Hillary from winning.


again why did donald jr ask the Russian ambassador to set up a Russian communication system that US intelligence could not listen to. What could trump possibly want to talk about that he did not usa to know about. again us intelligence got that conversation of trump jr because they had the russians bugged.

that to me is treason by itself.

trump lied about dealing with russia, again no reason to lie unless you are involved in a crime.

trump will not allow himself to be deposed on all things dealing with national security. Clinton had to be deposed on a civil matter by a right-winger who was being paid big money. and his had nothing to do with a nation attacking us.

It is a fact we our democracy was attacked and with his head of his campaign out in a secret country during the campaign meeting with the KGB showing them confidential top secret info. again Manafort lied to the government about this even after agreeing to a prosecution deal. So you know how important it was, it was his pardon card once convicted.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After meeting Putin, Trump peddled Russian's claims to US media

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After meeting with Putin in 2017, Trump peddled deceptive Russia-related claims to American media - twice - during the flight home.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now Rudy admits collusion—but denies it was agent orange. Do the kids go under the bus next?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So now Rudy admits collusion—but denies it was agent orange. Do the kids go under the bus next?



No one told stupid old Mac that collusion is not against the law. That's why it is done with regularity in every election. Just ask Clinton , Obama and countless others...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mac wrote:
So now Rudy admits collusion—but denies it was agent orange. Do the kids go under the bus next?



No one told stupid old Mac that collusion is not against the law. That's why it is done with regularity in every election. Just ask Clinton , Obama and countless others...


As expected, the far right quickly pivots from “no collusion” and “witch hunt” to “collusion is not against the law.” As usual, Matty is wrong. Accepting contributions from foreign sources is against the law. Manaford was deeply involved. Fascists don’t care.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
mac wrote:
So now Rudy admits collusion—but denies it was agent orange. Do the kids go under the bus next?



No one told stupid old Mac that collusion is not against the law. That's why it is done with regularity in every election. Just ask Clinton , Obama and countless others...


As expected, the far right quickly pivots from “no collusion” and “witch hunt” to “collusion is not against the law.” As usual, Matty is wrong. Accepting contributions from foreign sources is against the law. Manaford was deeply involved. Fascists don’t care.


Now your really heading down the dummy trail.....foreign contributions???

Are you kidding you freaking airhead???

Clinton built her war chest on foreign donations...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
mac wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
mac wrote:
So now Rudy admits collusion—but denies it was agent orange. Do the kids go under the bus next?



No one told stupid old Mac that collusion is not against the law. That's why it is done with regularity in every election. Just ask Clinton , Obama and countless others...


As expected, the far right quickly pivots from “no collusion” and “witch hunt” to “collusion is not against the law.” As usual, Matty is wrong. Accepting contributions from foreign sources is against the law. Manaford was deeply involved. Fascists don’t care.


Now your really heading down the dummy trail.....foreign contributions???

Are you kidding you freaking airhead???

Clinton built her war chest on foreign donations...



https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-campaign-raises-illegal-cash-overseas/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By Allyson Chiu and
Lindsey Bever January 17 at 11:12 AM
Rudolph W. Giuliani claimed Wednesday night that he “never said there was no collusion” between President Trump’s campaign and Russia leading up to the 2016 presidential election.

In a remarkable, at times contentious interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo, the president’s lawyer was accused of contradicting his own past statements about collusion as well as what Trump and his supporters have repeatedly asserted. On Twitter, Trump has used the phrase “no collusion” dozens of times, and a number of those instances were direct denials that his campaign was involved with the Russian government.


Educating Matty is impossible, but here is the law, from the FEC's web-site.

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The Act and Commission regulations include a broad prohibition on foreign national activity in connection with elections in the United States. 52 U.S.C. § 30121 and generally, 11 CFR 110.20. In general, foreign nationals are prohibited from the following activities:

Making any contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or making any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States;
Making any contribution or donation to any committee or organization of any national, state, district, or local political party (including donations to a party nonfederal account or office building account);
Making any disbursement for an electioneering communication;
Making any donation to a presidential inaugural committee
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Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to an FEC enforcement action, criminal prosecution, or both.

Definition
The following groups and individuals are considered "foreign nationals" and are subject to the prohibition:

Foreign citizens (not including dual citizens of the United States);




Contributions to the NRA, multiple convictions so far. I already know that Matty likes Trump's lies and criminal associates.
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