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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
Meanwhile Trump has been tougher on Russia than any president in recent history. That's an undeniable fact that the left seems to ignore.


Bottom line, the left had ZERO interest in Russia till Trump won.


Total BS, but yes you swallowed hook,line and sinker!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wsurfer wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
Meanwhile Trump has been tougher on Russia than any president in recent history. That's an undeniable fact that the left seems to ignore.


Bottom line, the left had ZERO interest in Russia till Trump won.


Total BS, but yes you swallowed hook,line and sinker!



Zero you fucking moron. They laughed, mocked and gave orders to stand down. It all happened on Obamas watch AND HE DID NOTHING!!!NOTHING!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
wsurfer wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
Meanwhile Trump has been tougher on Russia than any president in recent history. That's an undeniable fact that the left seems to ignore.


Bottom line, the left had ZERO interest in Russia till Trump won.


Total BS, but yes you swallowed hook,line and sinker!



Zero you fucking moron. They laughed, mocked and gave orders to stand down. It all happened on Obamas watch AND HE DID NOTHING!!!NOTHING!!


hey little trust fund troll. Can you give us some testimonial of any general or top CIA person that has stepped forward after the trump russia treason to say his statements are not a green light for the russians to continue to hack our election?

Gee who will benifit with another attack of our sovereignty? really the right wing...

gee it is like yelling during the election gee russia you will be rewarded if you hack the dems.... do you think that was a green light you low level thinker.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By George F. Will
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July 17
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America’s child president had a play date with a KGB alumnus, who surely enjoyed providing day care. It was a useful, because illuminating, event: Now we shall see how many Republicans retain a capacity for embarrassment.

Jeane Kirkpatrick, a Democrat closely associated with such Democratic national security stalwarts as former senator Henry Jackson and former senator and former vice president Hubert Humphrey, was President Ronald Reagan’s ambassador to the United Nations. In her speech at the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas, she explained her disaffection from her party: “They always blame America first.” In Helsinki, the president who bandies the phrase “America First” put himself first, as always, and America last, behind President Vladimir Putin’s regime.

Because the Democrats had just held their convention in San Francisco, Kirkpatrick branded the “blame America first” cohort as “San Francisco Democrats.” Thirty-four years on, how numerous are the “Helsinki Republicans”?

What, precisely, did President Trump say about the diametrically opposed statements by U.S. intelligence agencies (and the Senate Intelligence Committee) and by Putin concerning Russia and the 2016 U.S. elections? Precision is not part of Trump’s repertoire: He speaks English as though it is a second language that he learned from someone who learned English last week. So, it is usually difficult to sift meanings from Trump’s word salads. But in Helsinki he was, for him, crystal clear about feeling no allegiance to the intelligence institutions that work at his direction and under leaders he chose.

Speaking of Republicans incapable of blushing — those with the peculiar strength that comes from being incapable of embarrassment — consider Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), who for years enjoyed derivative gravitas from his association with Sen. John McCain (Ariz.). Graham tweeted about Helsinki: “Missed opportunity by President Trump to firmly hold Russia accountable for 2016 meddling and deliver a strong warning regarding future elections.” A “missed opportunity” by a man who had not acknowledged the meddling?

Contrast Graham’s mush with this on Monday from McCain, still vinegary: “Today’s press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory.” Or this from Arizona’s other senator, Jeff Flake (R): “I never thought I would see the day when our American president would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression.” Blame America only.

Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats and others might believe that they must stay in their positions lest there be no adult supervision of the Oval playpen. This is a serious worry, but so is this: Can those people do their jobs for someone who has neither respect nor loyalty for them?

Like the purloined letter in Edgar Allan Poe’s short story with that title, collusion with Russia is hiding in plain sight. We shall learn from special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation whether in 2016 there was collusion with Russia by members of the Trump campaign. The world, however, saw in Helsinki something more grave — ongoing collusion between Trump, now in power, and Russia. The collusion is in what Trump says (refusing to back the United States’ intelligence agencies) and in what evidently went unsaid (such as: You ought to stop disrupting Ukraine, downing civilian airliners, attempting to assassinate people abroad using poisons, and so on, and on).

Americans elected a president who — this is a safe surmise — knew that he had more to fear from making his tax returns public than from keeping them secret. The most innocent inference is that for decades he has depended on an American weakness, susceptibility to the tacky charisma of wealth, which would evaporate when his tax returns revealed that he has always lied about his wealth, too. A more ominous explanation might be that his redundantly demonstrated incompetence as a businessman tumbled him into unsavory financial dependencies on Russians. A still more sinister explanation might be that the Russians have something else, something worse, to keep him compliant.

The explanation is in doubt; what needs to be explained — his compliance — is not. Granted, Trump has a weak man’s banal fascination with strong men whose disdain for him is evidently unimaginable to him. And, yes, he only perfunctorily pretends to have priorities beyond personal aggrandizement. But just as astronomers inferred, from anomalies in the orbits of the planet Uranus, the existence of Neptune before actually seeing it, Mueller might infer, and then find, still-hidden sources of the behavior of this sad, embarrassing wreck of a man.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Quote:
By George F. Will
Opinion writer
July 17
Email the author
America’s child president had a play date with a KGB alumnus, who surely enjoyed providing day care. It was a useful, because illuminating, event: Now we shall see how many Republicans retain a capacity for embarrassment.

Jeane Kirkpatrick, a Democrat closely associated with such Democratic national security stalwarts as former senator Henry Jackson and former senator and former vice president Hubert Humphrey, was President Ronald Reagan’s ambassador to the United Nations. In her speech at the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas, she explained her disaffection from her party: “They always blame America first.” In Helsinki, the president who bandies the phrase “America First” put himself first, as always, and America last, behind President Vladimir Putin’s regime.

Because the Democrats had just held their convention in San Francisco, Kirkpatrick branded the “blame America first” cohort as “San Francisco Democrats.” Thirty-four years on, how numerous are the “Helsinki Republicans”?

What, precisely, did President Trump say about the diametrically opposed statements by U.S. intelligence agencies (and the Senate Intelligence Committee) and by Putin concerning Russia and the 2016 U.S. elections? Precision is not part of Trump’s repertoire: He speaks English as though it is a second language that he learned from someone who learned English last week. So, it is usually difficult to sift meanings from Trump’s word salads. But in Helsinki he was, for him, crystal clear about feeling no allegiance to the intelligence institutions that work at his direction and under leaders he chose.

Speaking of Republicans incapable of blushing — those with the peculiar strength that comes from being incapable of embarrassment — consider Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), who for years enjoyed derivative gravitas from his association with Sen. John McCain (Ariz.). Graham tweeted about Helsinki: “Missed opportunity by President Trump to firmly hold Russia accountable for 2016 meddling and deliver a strong warning regarding future elections.” A “missed opportunity” by a man who had not acknowledged the meddling?

Contrast Graham’s mush with this on Monday from McCain, still vinegary: “Today’s press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory.” Or this from Arizona’s other senator, Jeff Flake (R): “I never thought I would see the day when our American president would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression.” Blame America only.

Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats and others might believe that they must stay in their positions lest there be no adult supervision of the Oval playpen. This is a serious worry, but so is this: Can those people do their jobs for someone who has neither respect nor loyalty for them?

Like the purloined letter in Edgar Allan Poe’s short story with that title, collusion with Russia is hiding in plain sight. We shall learn from special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation whether in 2016 there was collusion with Russia by members of the Trump campaign. The world, however, saw in Helsinki something more grave — ongoing collusion between Trump, now in power, and Russia. The collusion is in what Trump says (refusing to back the United States’ intelligence agencies) and in what evidently went unsaid (such as: You ought to stop disrupting Ukraine, downing civilian airliners, attempting to assassinate people abroad using poisons, and so on, and on).

Americans elected a president who — this is a safe surmise — knew that he had more to fear from making his tax returns public than from keeping them secret. The most innocent inference is that for decades he has depended on an American weakness, susceptibility to the tacky charisma of wealth, which would evaporate when his tax returns revealed that he has always lied about his wealth, too. A more ominous explanation might be that his redundantly demonstrated incompetence as a businessman tumbled him into unsavory financial dependencies on Russians. A still more sinister explanation might be that the Russians have something else, something worse, to keep him compliant.

The explanation is in doubt; what needs to be explained — his compliance — is not. Granted, Trump has a weak man’s banal fascination with strong men whose disdain for him is evidently unimaginable to him. And, yes, he only perfunctorily pretends to have priorities beyond personal aggrandizement. But just as astronomers inferred, from anomalies in the orbits of the planet Uranus, the existence of Neptune before actually seeing it, Mueller might infer, and then find, still-hidden sources of the behavior of this sad, embarrassing wreck of a man.




Mac please stop posting non-sense from George Will

He is a Trump hating elitist, insider , scumbag who could not be anymore out of touch with Non-beltway Americans....His words mean nothing..
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew Matty wouldn't bother to read it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
I knew Matty wouldn't bother to read it.

I'll try to put it in terms that you might be able to relate to.
Posting Trump criticism by George Will, would be like posting Obama criticism by Diane Feinstein, whom you recently called something like republican light.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Matty, you were ok with Trump throwing the USA under the bus on live television? That is quite sad, and takes sycophant to the next level.... Will is right, with Donald its always about him, and rarely the country he works for .....
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
So Matty, you were ok with Trump throwing the USA under the bus on live television? That is quite sad, and takes sycophant to the next level.... Will is right, with Donald its always about him, and rarely the country he works for .....



Trump made a few mistakes, I believe I stated that already. He should not have said what he said about in that setting, I agree..

But calling out the FBI, in a normal setting on US soil? he has every right in the world and they deserve every bit of criticism. They are scum and there is ZERO doubt they are out to get him.

The lefts and assholes like GWs reactions are nothing short of pathetic and based on lies and gross exaggerations. Comparing it to 9/11, The Holocaust, Pearl harbor and more is beyond stupid.

Fact is Trump has been BY FAR tougher on Putin than any president in modern times. Just look at how the left was treating Putin only a few years back. Laughing , partying, telling jokes, eating bagels, all was good till Trump came along.

Boggs what we really should be talking about is why did Rob Rosenstein released the indictments the day before Trump was due to meet with Putin.
They were prepared for months but they held off till the day before. Fucking scum trying to trip up our president.

Talk about treason.


Try looking past your hatred for a moment, you may learn something.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe Chris Wallace should be president then, he had the stones to put the indictments in Putey's face...While Trump was too busy building him up....Lame Lame Lame ....
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