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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

absolutely no question Manafort has been acting against USA as a traitor for years.

read this article. He should be tried for treason and put to death.... read what he has been doing against US interests for years with Russia for pay....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/manafort-associate-far-more-involved-pro-russia-strategy-041345622.html

Manafort associate far more involved in pro-Russia strategy
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JEFF HORWITZ and MARIA DANILOVA
,Associated Press•July 2, 2018

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CORRECTS A WOMAN, SECOND LEFT, TO AN UNIDENTIFIED INDIVIDUAL, NOT MARTH YOUNG - Konstantin Kilimnik, an elusive figure under indictment for alleged witness tampering by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, is seen seated on the far left in a March 2006 photo obtained by The Associated Press as part of a collection of internal corporate memos and business records from the international political consulting offices of Donald Trump’s ex-campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Mueller has indicated that Kilimnik is in Russia and has ties to Russian intelligence, which Kilimnik disputes. The photograph represents one of the few images known to exist of Kilimnik. Also in the photo, seated from left: Kilimnik, an unidentified individual, Catherine Barnes, Tad Devine, Paul Manafort, Phillip Griffin; standing from left: Lee Avrashov, an unidentified individual and Christian Ferry. (AP Photo)


WASHINGTON (AP) — During the special counsel's Russia investigation, Konstantin Kilimnik has been described as a fixer, translator or office manager to President Donald Trump's ex-campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

But Kilimnik, an elusive figure now indicted alongside Manafort on witness tampering charges, was far more involved in formulating pro-Russia political strategy with Manafort than previously known, according to internal memos and other business records obtained by The Associated Press.

The records include a rare 2006 photograph of Kilimnik, a Ukrainian native, in an office setting with Manafort and other key players in Manafort's consulting firm at the time. Some of the documents were later independently obtained by U.S. government investigators.

More than a decade before Russia was accused of surreptitiously trying to tilt the presidential election toward Trump, Manafort and Kilimnik pondered the risks to Russia if the country did not hone its efforts to influence global politics, the records show.

"The West is just a little more skillful at playing the modern game, where perception by the world public opinion and the spin is more important than what is actually going on," Kilimnik wrote to Manafort in a December 2004 memo analyzing Russia's bungled efforts to manipulate political events in former Soviet states. "Russia is ultimately going to lose if they do not learn how to play this game."

Kilimnik — who special counsel Robert Mueller believes is currently in Russia and has ties to Russian intelligence — helped formulate Manafort's pitches to clients in Russia and Ukraine, according to the records. Among Manafort's clients were Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and other mega-wealthy Russians with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Kilimnik began that work in secret, the records show, even while working for the International Republican Institute — a U.S. government-funded nonprofit supporting the Western-friendly democratic movements that Manafort and his patrons sought to counter.

The records do not reveal what motivated Kilimnik's work for Manafort, though Mueller's team has alleged in U.S. court filings that Kilimnik's ties to Russian intelligence remained active through the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. Kilimnik has denied that.

The records show Kilimnik helped conceive strategies that Manafort sold to clients, and that he served as a key liaison between Manafort and principal financial backers, including Deripaska.

Deripaska has denied hiring Manafort for any pro-Russian political work, and unsuccessfully sued the AP last year over reporting that he had paid Manafort more than $10 million to influence political decisions and news coverage in Eastern Europe and Western capitals. Manafort also denied to the AP last year that he had performed political work for Deripaska.

A new filing by the U.S. government in Manafort's court cases showed that Manafort acknowledged that work in a 2014 FBI interview, and files seized by the FBI showed that Deripaska was the source of a $10 million loan to a Manafort-controlled company in 2010.

At least some of Kilimnik's channels to Deripaska remained open through the 2016 presidential campaign, when Kilimnik and Manafort sought to return to the oligarch's good graces after a falling out. Deripaska has said he never received or discussed any proposal for new Manafort business during the campaign.

Born in what was then Soviet Ukraine, Kilimnik was studying as a linguist at a state-run military university when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. After a stint in the military, he joined the International Republican Institute as a translator in 1995 and rose to become the acting head of its Moscow office.

The post-Soviet period was a heady time for the IRI, a nonprofit long headed by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Among its greatest causes was Ukraine's Orange Revolution, when street protests thwarted a clumsy attempt by a Russian-backed government to steal the country's 2004 presidential election.

Even before the Orange Revolution had run its course, Kilimnik had begun secretly working with Manafort to undermine it, the records obtained by the AP show. By December 2004, he was already working for Manafort — not as a translator, as he told the New York Times earlier this year in a rare interview, but as a strategist.

In one memo, Kilimnik noted the failings of Soviet-style heavy-handed tactics, including Russia's lack of experience with competitive elections after decades of one-party rule.

"Russian political consultants, skilled at manipulating virtual public opinion and achieving virtual results in virtual elections, were useless," he wrote.

Other documents from the period identified Manafort's client as Deripaska, a Russian billionaire with business ties to the Kremlin.

When the IRI learned in March 2005 that Kilimnik was working for Manafort, Kilimnik was abruptly fired. From then on, he worked full time for Manafort, earning a base monthly salary of $10,000, according to the records.

Manafort proposed Kilimnik as the firm's direct liaison with Deripaska's main business, known as Basel, short for Basic Element.

Whether that occurred is not clear. But Deripaska hired Manafort's firm — and Kilimnik became a key player in the work.

U.S. officials regarded Kilimnik as Manafort's key aide during their work on behalf of pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych, who became the president of Ukraine in 2010. A representative from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev would occasionally meet with Kilimnik to discuss current political affairs, according to a former senior U.S. official who was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly and thus spoke on condition of anonymity.

The records show that Kilimnik participated in an early Manafort plan to influence Western politicians and media outlets. Officially, the project — known as Eurasia21 — would offer news and expertise on former Soviet states. Unofficially, it would be a propaganda operation intended to target Washington and European capitals and "train a cadre of leaders who can be relied upon in future governments," according to one memo.

A website was launched with some initial funding from the investment bank Rothschild, a Deripaska ally, but the project fizzled and folded. The plan was a model for covert lobbying work later by Manafort, however. Those efforts included using the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine — an alleged front group used by Manafort to route millions of dollars for covert lobbying work in Washington — and the so-called Hapsburg Group, a stable of former European politicians secretly paid to espouse positions in keeping with Yanukovych's government.

Even after Manafort lost his campaign job and was indicted by Mueller on charges related to his foreign lobbying work, U.S. prosecutors alleged, Kilimnik helped ghost-write an op-ed defending Manafort under the name of Oleg Voloshyn, a former Ukrainian government official. Manafort also faces bank fraud and tax evasion charges in Virginia.

Other Manafort associates — including his deputy Rick Gates — have not shown the same steadfastness toward Manafort as Kilimnik. Gates has pleaded guilty to helping Manafort launder millions of dollars through bank accounts in Cyprus.

Days after Gates' guilty plea, prosecutors said Kilimnik attempted to tamper with a witness by reaching out to a person connected with Manafort's lobbying work.

And as recently as April, Kilimnik contacted two witnesses in the Mueller investigation on behalf of Manafort, according to court filings.

"Hey. This is Konstantin," Kilimnik wrote via the WhatsApp messenger, according to the filings. "My friend is looking for ways to connect to you to pass you several messages. Can we arrange that?"

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gee if there is nothing to hide why are right wingers hiding everything... this one is way past the norm, trying to stop a supena to a grand jury... wow he must have a lot of MAJOR illegal issues. again you can not plead the 5th in front of a grand jury. You go to jail till you testify. and you wonder why this investigation is going so quickly when there is obstruction from every level, it is tyranny to the max by trump the house the senate and supreme court.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-taps-more-prosecutors-to-help-with-growing-trump-probe/ar-AAzBIqw?ocid=spartandhp
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Another surprise came last week when Andrew Miller, a former aide to Trump adviser Roger Stone, filed a sealed motion to fight one of Mueller’s grand jury subpoenas.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

senate hearing on russian interference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp3i2gbUOCo

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Former acting AG Sally Yates full testimony to Senate Judiciary on Russia's election hacking

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then what the fuck was this investigation about? How can Manafort defend himself without the evidence?

Special counsel Robert Mueller said in a court filing Friday that his prosecutors will not present evidence regarding Trump campaign collusion with Russia at an upcoming trial for former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

“The government does not intend to present at trial evidence or argument concerning collusion with the Russian government,” reads a filing submitted by Mueller’s team in federal court in Virginia on Friday.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are all right wingers as thick as Malibu? The government must provide all evidence of the indicted crimes during the discovery portion of the proceedings, prior to the trial, but not during the investigation. The government does not have to provide any evidence about un-charged crimes not going to trial. But they can be charged and tried later.

I imagine that Mueller is still trying to roll Manafort.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-mining-firm-puts-trumps-face-on-its-asbestos-products_us_5b4765c9e4b022fdcc56d934

Russian Mining Firm Puts Trump’s Face On Its Asbestos Products

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this guy hits it... California Senator says we need an independent cousel.... not a special prosecutor....

wow someone who gets it.

this was on KCAL9 as reported by Dave Bryan who interviewed senator DeLeon in Sherman Oaks...




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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

again this is a federal grand jury... Under Kenneth Starr, there was not one grand jury indictment of anything major like foreign countries attacking the USA... Kennith Starr who had the present supreme court nominee working with him could not get one grand jury to indict Clinton in what 7 years and 70 million which would be about 200 plus million in todays money. And that had no treason involved and no threat from our worst enemy on the planet.

Will trump pardon the russians is the question....


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/mueller-indicts-12-russian-intel-officers-hacking-democrats-163104637--abc-news-topstories.html

Mueller indicts 12 Russian intel officers for hacking Democrats
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A federal grand jury on Friday returned a new indictment against a dozen Russians as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into alleged Russian meddling during the 2016 presidential campaign.

The indictment targets 12 Russian intelligence officers for engaging in a sustained effort to hack networks of Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the Democratic National Committee, and Hillary Clinton’s campaign. All 12 are members of the GRU, Russia's intelligence service, according to the court filing.

The charges come just days before President Donald Trump is set to meet with Russia's President Vladimir Putin and on the same day that Trump, on a trip to the United Kingdom, again called the investigation a "witch hunt."

In announcing the indictment Friday, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said he had briefed President Trump on the indictment earlier this week, adding that although Americans corresponded with the indicted Russians, no Americans knowingly conspired with Russian intelligence officers.


ya right,,, time for an independent counsel that is not a lifelong republican....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trump asks the russians to get Hillary's emails and that day is when they started....

again words have consequences, specially when all your top people are meeting behind the scenes with russians and he never released a follow-up that he was joking.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-indictments-undercut-trumps-denials-174740569.html


Russia indictments undercut Trump's denials


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Trump has long sought to undermine the Russia investigation and has repeatedly referred to Mueller’s probe — which has now resulted in 32 individual indictments and five guilty pleas — as a “witch hunt.”

During the 2016 campaign, Trump taunted Clinton and the FBI — which had been investigating her use of a private email server — by publicly calling on Russia to locate her emails.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump said on July 27.

According to the indictment released Friday, Russian operatives targeted Clinton’s personal emails “for the first time” the same day.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

msnbc

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There’s a lot to chew on here, but here are some initial takeaways to keep in mind:


* On pages 7 and 8, the indictment notes that on July 27, 2016, the alleged attackers targeted “for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by [Hillary] Clinton’s personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted 76 email addresses at the domain for the Clinton campaign.” This stands out for one reason: it was on July 27, 2016, that Donald Trump publicly urged Russia to help his candidacy.

* On pages 15 and 16 of the indictment, Mueller alleges that an unnamed congressional candidate specifically requested information stolen by the Russians. If we find out who that candidate is – and whether he or she is currently a member of Congress – I can’t wait to hear his or her explanation.

* On page 17, the indictment adds that the alleged attackers communicated in 2016 with an unnamed person “who was in regular contact with senior members” of the Trump campaign.

* On pages 25 and 26, the indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators “hacked the website of a state board of elections and stole information related to approximately 500,000 voters, including names, addresses, partial social security numbers, dates of birth, and driver’s license numbers.” It went on to say they also “hacked into the computers of a U.S. vendor that supplied software used to verify voter registration information for the 2016 U.S. elections.”

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