One board quiver-formula

U2U2U2 · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:44 pm Post subject:

I view those equations as a guide, far too many variables.

My little F117, I got because it's Kool, was cheap.

My larger era 2001 Starboard is around 152l, I was looking for a board to ship to my cabin in Maine, to leave there for my visits , particularly if I flew.
I was looking for a shortboard in the range of 285--310, in the time frame and locations, I did not find any, the F I got in Calif on a road trip to Rio Vista, it was basically sound, several small repairs were done. Boxed and truck freight to Maine, been there for 10 odd years.

Point to that, it wasn't really what I wanted, it has performed overall ESP in light wind, absolutely to my joy.

The lake I sail on has some weeds, but lots of rocks, so I go with a shorter fin,that Starboards, since I only used a 8.5 or 7.5 as largest, the fin is fine,
Not certain ,think it's a 48 Curtis. When it was the only board available I sailed a 5.3 , all wound up, ..umm..not for long however.
155lb here on a good day, when the wife doesn't make cookies.

joethewindsufa · Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1190 Location: Montréal

i have nothing for nor against Formula
however, i just feel that for the light weights, that is just a bit much

take yesterday as an example
myself and another heavyweight (100+ kilos) were out on 80 cm wide freerides with 8.5 freerace sails
middle weights 125 litre/70 cm wide boards with 7 meter freerides
and one lightweight with freewave 96 litre/61 cm and Ezzy 6.5

so, if a heavyweight is out on a wide , large freeride with 10 m² sail planing in LIGHT wind , why would a light weight be out on a Formula ??
he or she candu with a large, wide freeride or even less !!

there is also the case against weedies on the Formula

lightweights do NOT need much to plane in a "nun's fart"

my wind minimum is 10 knots / ~ 20 kph
under that winds are way too unstable here and even 10 knots is with prayers for more steady winds - in ONT and QUE

under 10 knots, perhaps it is time to play ?? Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXxK3DENfMU

U2U2U2 · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:07 am Post subject:

Fwiw the OP , wrote his lake" is Not bad for weeds"

That can be interpreted widely.
Atlas.. Do you / others normally use fin weeds, perhaps at certain times of the year..?

If the answer is no, then he doesn't need one on a F board, saying 70cm is good in most areas, which I think is huge for him.

Going to look at my paperwork for the F fin I use on bigger board.

I dislike weed fins, I find them close to necessary in places.

FinSIZE IS 48, a Fin Works

bred2shred · Joined: 02 May 2000 Posts: 989 Location: Jersey Shore

If you want to plane as early and in the lightest wind possible, then a Formula board is the only choice, regardless of rider size. Page 3 of this thread the OP states he sails mainly in 5-12mph conditions. Doesn't matter if you weigh 200LB or 130LB, if you want to plane consistently in those conditions, get a Formula board. If you want to plane in 10-20mph conditions, get a large free ride board, but you will be shorting yourself at the low end.

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joethewindsufa · Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1190 Location: Montréal

can't see how Formula in 5 to 12 mph can be fun for anyone - sorry
looking forward to conclusion of OP and that it all works out ...

U2U2U2 · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:33 am Post subject:

It's been a good thread, with quite a lot of discussion.

cgoudie1 · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:13 am Post subject:

I think the OP had pretty much settled on Formula rig (maybe from
the start). I can't see how a formula board could be much fun in 5-12
either, unless the average winds in the 5-12 are more like 11.
5-12 is longboard material. But, as Gary says, the discussion has
been interesting. At this point, maybe we should be commenting on
how to tune and ride a formula rig in 5-12 and how that could be fun.

-Craig

bred2shred · Joined: 02 May 2000 Posts: 989 Location: Jersey Shore

dllee · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 5329 Location: East Bay

5-12 is fine on Formula.
5-8, just use a 4.5 and practice sail flips, heli's, boomarangs, duck tack/jibes, 360's, backwinding.
8-12, use a 8.5, pump like heck, plane around at 23 mph in the footstraps.

atlas.wave55 · Joined: 24 Aug 2016 Posts: 111

Have you ever tried it?

I can tell you that it can be an absolute blast to be ripping along fully wound going 1.5 to 2 times the windspeed on rippled water, coasting from gust to gust, finding a nice meaty puff, jibing full on without coming off plane and going back doing the same thing the other direction. It can be very technical, challenging, and engaging sailing where you have to "keep your head out of the boat" watching for changes in wind speed, tweaking your outhaul for the puffs and lulls, pumping where needed, etc. Light wind Formula sailing can be a heck of a lot of fun, actually.

I believe I have had my heart set out on a formula from the beginning but as bred2shred said I think pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for me because as described above is absolutely what I am looking for. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, heck it might not even be mine but will not know until I give it a try. I have not purchased the equipment yet, looking to by used and will let everyone know what equipment I buy when I do so.

I am interested to know how to ride and tune a formula board in 5-12. I`ve herd that adjustable out haul system is very helpful. I have never used one and am curious to know how they work.