G2Wing soft wing sail

[brynkaufman2]

Has anyone tried this sail. Sounds interesting?

http://www.challengersails.com/it/windsurf/vele-2015/gt2wing

[joethewindsufa]

as it is new out of Europe, the tests found are from there
(originally wrote new concept, but that is NOT true)

example: https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://forum.windsurfing.nl/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D16%26t%3D13893281&prev=search

this is a double luff sail where the luff extends out
http://forum.windsurfing.nl/download/file.php?id=2376&t=1&sid=38d37d85dd277c8d5cb783c030098732

weight and uphauling are bound to be issues
in the videos I looked at, I could not easily see the wider profile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sitpGHyyxxs
8.4 GT2WING is 988 Euros
plus shipping ?
will be surprised to see or hear about one here

[dllee]

What is supposed to be the advantage?
AeroForce came out with white double foils in 1984. Some racer's used them and they were OK.
Around 2006, almost all the slalom and race sails started out with big wide sleeves, then shrank down so the top 4 battens were almost RAF, no wide sleeve at all.
I"m sure you have seen them on the water. What is the advantage over narrow sleeves and RAF?
I have early generation wide sleeve WARP North's. I find the older narrower sleeves every bit as fast, and much easier to rig and sail.
Most design guys think about 1/3 is enough span for the double sleeve, and only to just above the boom.

[brynkaufman2]

I would like to understand the advantages too.

They are making some pretty bold claims including "No other windsurf sail on earth can compete with ours in terms of lightness and steadiness."

If this is true then it sounds like a sail I would be interested in.

[dllee]

"No other sail on earth can compete with our's in terms of complication, fragileness, YOU do the R&D, need for constant maintainance and development, and adaptation, for an minute gain in stability accompanied by a huge gain in headache's and problems".
Why not just buy a race/slalom sail that has been under development for 12 year's already, sold to the public, and proven to be somewhat useful for the very top end of professional racer's?
Yet still, the very top end of amateur expert level sailors DO NOT use this kind of sail even for go fast sailing, or if they did, they found fellow sailors just as fast as them using narrow sleeve sails.

[brynkaufman2]

Interesting, your message is a bit different than what they are saying, LOL

[dllee]

My message should be different.
It's based on 33 year's of shortboarding experience, Team Seatrend, Haut, and National Gaastra rider since 1985, worked at windsurf shops since 1983 until 2003, went to almost all the AWIA conventions, know most of the industry player's, bought new complete gear from 1985 until 1993 EACH year, and have been shortboarding at least 80 days a year since '84 to last year, with one year off for whitewater kayaking in the foothills.
I"m just sick and tired of all the hoopla CLAIMS that their new products are superior in ANY way than what is currently offered on the market.
You want state of the art race/slalom gear? Buy a 2016 or '17 Neil Pryde race or slalom sail, everyone else does, around now, and then modifies their current prototypes to resemble what NP offers.

[whitevan01]

I"ve still got a couple of old Freedom Maui double luff sails from the late 80's. they were good in their day, but a bear to uphaul/waterstart.

not much new under the sun, it seems.

[dllee]

Yeah, those Whidden Freedom wide luff sails were really light, made of super light thin material, and lasted just fine.
We stayed at one of his rentals just NE of Paia, past the cemetary, and he let us use some of those wide luff sails.
Only thing was, I"d sail up to Hookipa/Mama's most days from there, so used wave sails, the the rest of the crew sailed down to Kanaha or just drove down from there, so also only used the wave sails we brought.

[nw30]