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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
Trumps children are RUNNING existing companies that they started and have OPERATED before he took office...


Bidens kid was appointed to a board with zero skin in the game , zero expertise, and only for his obvious influence with the White house..

Stop making a fool of yourself, there is zero comparison here...


moron all the Bush 1 kids were hired and for instance, one even was on the board of directors of a bank that was the largest at the time go under causing a huge financial banking collapse crisis. gee that was deregulation by the right wing... zero expertise.

Bush 2 was head of a oil drilling company and kept getting investments yet never hit oil in his oil drilling company EVER. and gee some saudis even ut money in the millions in his companies when they were worth billions, why would a billionaire Saudi invest in a guy with no experience and never hit oil in a oil drilling company. Ya the same ones that got mysterious clearance to fly from the USA to escape the country when we did not even know it was nearly all saudis they attacked us. was it a day after 9-11 attack on america when no other planes was allowed to fly.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cold this morning, so a few moments to waste. LHDR.........for several years, I ran the global governance activities for one of the largest corporations on the planet. I now teach the topic to corporations across North America. If the vice President of any reputable US corporation was involved in such a blatant conflict of interest, whether any gain was real or perceived, he/ she would be fired immediately. I see no reason to expect a lower standard from top level politicians.


As usual, mrgybe couldn’t resist bragging about his importance. Now for an alternative viewpoint. https://www.complianceweek.com/opinion/exxonmobil-governance-as-toxic-as-carbon-footprint/27179.article
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is a YUGE difference in conflicts or bad optics and corruption ..

And Matty, just because Beavis and Butthead ran businesses before their daddy moved into the WH , it doesn’t mean they should continue if there are conflicts .. Usually presidents and family divest of businesses that create conflicts before taking office ..


Where is the conflict nitwit?.....Are they real jobs...yes they are. Did they start the businesses? , yes they did. Has daddy step in and threatened anyone who dares to investigate one of their company's? ...no he hasn't.

What a freaking scumbag biden is.....you must be proud to defend this lowlife....banging his dead bro's wife...pos


https://www.businessinsider.com/hunter-biden-life-scandals-ukraine-involvement-with-trump-giuliani-2019-9


Trumps kids stand head and shoulders over bidens dead beat dad, coke head, POS kid... stop while your behind, you're starting to sound more un-hinged than Mac......


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
There is a YUGE difference in conflicts or bad optics and corruption ..

And Matty, just because Beavis and Butthead ran businesses before their daddy moved into the WH , it doesn’t mean they should continue if there are conflicts .. Usually presidents and family divest of businesses that create conflicts before taking office ..


Where is the conflict nitwit?.....Are they real jobs...yes they are. Did they start the businesses? , yes they did. Has daddy step in and threatened anyone who dares to investigate one of their company's? ...no he hasn't.

What a freaking scumbag.....you must be proud to defend this lowlife....banging his dead bro's wife...pos


https://www.businessinsider.com/hunter-biden-life-scandals-ukraine-involvement-with-trump-giuliani-2019-9


Trumps kids stand head and shoulders over bidens dead beat dad, coke head, POS kid... stop while your behind, you're starting to sound more un-hinged than Mac......


his sons are not running ... while trump was banging porn strs while the wife was having what trumps kids from wife what?

trump was raping children with his best friend Epstein....

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LHDR wrote:
If the son of a company VP was hired by, let's say, a potential supplier to his dad's company, the VP won't be fired, I guess; instead, the VP will be asked to recuse himself from decisions involving his son's company? Biden didn't recuse himself from Ukraine, but at least he seems to have carried out US policy and didn't do anything that favored his son.

If that son had zero experience or qualifications related to the business appointing him to the Board, and was being compensated at a level many times greater than legitimate Board members of major public companies, the conflict and motivation would be so blindingly obvious to any reputable company, that it would be a disqualifying event for the the VP. He would be asked to resign or would be fired. This isn't "a VP", it is the number 2 person in the company who's unspoken influence would cast a wide shadow. Mere recusal would be completely inadequate. For Biden to state that he did nothing wrong is absurd.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matty if doing blow was disqualifying then Trumps top economic advisor would be out .. Hunter creates a nice little diversion for you , I get it ..
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr G if a company CEO had an off the payroll attorney and his band of thieves running around the glove investigating / digging up dirt on a rival CEO in an effort to smear him , would the board of that company seek to intervene ?

Next question .. If the nations largest company was interviewing candidates for an open CEO position , I would think vetting would be paramount .. So, personal financial disclosures and the individuals past financial dealings would be extremely relevant , would they not?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hunter openly admitted on world-wide TV that he got the job because of his dad's influence [including, at the very least, withholding a billion dollar loan guarantee (source: CNN)] while dad was in office.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
LHDR wrote:
If the son of a company VP was hired by, let's say, a potential supplier to his dad's company, the VP won't be fired, I guess; instead, the VP will be asked to recuse himself from decisions involving his son's company? Biden didn't recuse himself from Ukraine, but at least he seems to have carried out US policy and didn't do anything that favored his son.

If that son had zero experience or qualifications related to the business appointing him to the Board, and was being compensated at a level many times greater than legitimate Board members of major public companies, the conflict and motivation would be so blindingly obvious to any reputable company, that it would be a disqualifying event for the the VP. He would be asked to resign or would be fired. This isn't "a VP", it is the number 2 person in the company who's unspoken influence would cast a wide shadow. Mere recusal would be completely inadequate. For Biden to state that he did nothing wrong is absurd.


Well, Hunter Biden is an attorney who also served in the Naval reserve--qualifications I would stack up with Ivanka's or the idiot sons, or Rudy. The idea that Biden should control his son's decisions--or me my daughters--is utter nonsense under principles that actually were debated when we adopted the Constitution. Here's the worst you can say about Biden and Hunter:

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Paul Sonne,
Michael Kranish and
Matt Viser
September 28, 2019 at 5:08 p.m. PDT
When then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son joined the board of an obscure Ukrainian gas company half a decade ago, it was a stunning coup for its owner, a former Ukrainian minister working to remake the company’s image as he faced a money-laundering investigation.

For Hunter Biden, the job came with risks: Ukraine was in the throes of political upheaval, and there was building scrutiny of former government officials profiting in the lucrative gas industry. His father was the face of the Obama administration’s effort to get Ukraine to crack down on corruption.


The region was so unsettled that one of Hunter Biden’s investment firm partners at the time — former secretary of state John F. Kerry’s stepson — believed that joining the board of Burisma Holdings was a bad idea and ended his business relationship with Biden and another partner, his spokesman told the Washington Post

Now, more than five years later, with Joe Biden running for president, Hunter Biden’s decision to get involved with the Ukrainian firm is the backdrop of an extraordinary whistleblower complaint against President Trump that is reshaping the 2020 political landscape.

Michael Kranish on Post Reports: “There’s just a number of factors and incidents where Hunter Biden is doing business when his father’s interests might also be raised.”

Revelations that Trump, along with his personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, pressed the Ukrainians to pursue investigations into Burisma and examine the role of the Bidens have triggered an impeachment inquiry in the House, with allegations that Trump withheld U.S. support for Ukraine to ensure Kiev investigated his potential rival in the presidential election.

No evidence of criminal wrongdoing by the Bidens has surfaced. Giuliani’s primary allegation — that Joe Biden pushed for the firing of Ukraine’s top prosecutor to quash a probe into the former minister and Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — is not substantiated and has been widely disputed by former U.S. officials and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
Matty if doing blow was disqualifying then Trumps top economic advisor would be out .. Hunter creates a nice little diversion for you , I get it ..



Diversion!!!! you are one confused man...This whole Ukrainian Hoax thing is about Biden and his son... Sorry cupcake but it doesn't work that way...
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