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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:32 pm    Post subject: Censorship, First Amendment, Free Speech Reply with quote

Short of the obvious (e.g., "FIRE!", child porn, terrorist plotting, inciting riots), what F-ing legal or moral right does ANYONE in the U.S. have to dictate what we can read, think, say, publish, post, preach, etc.?

What the hell right do social media moguls, book publishers and sellers, the Squad, etc. to decide what we must believe?

A guy is looking at 10 years in federal prison for making fun of Hlllary on some social media (Twitter, Facebook ... who remembers or knows or cares which one?).

Doctors with better credentials than Fauci and Birx are censored in every media from the WWW to Simon and Schuster to Barnes & Noble for presenting anything contradicting the Fauci and Birx Moving Target Show.

And that goes WAY beyond this or any other pandemic, into such fields as cholesterol, sat fats, T2DM, many surgeries, pharmaceutical drugs, much more.

Fake News are doing their damnedest to shut down Fox News because they dare present both sides of controversial issues.

Nutrition researchers are being censored and blackballed for favoring science over dogma regarding the foods we should eat and avoid when it contradicts the various food manufacturing lobbies and their death-dealing food pyramids.

Anyone who denies that "Climate Change" is going to kill us all before 2030 is a deplorable fool.

"My Pillow" -- hands down the best pillow I've ever tried -- is now banned from many retail outlets because Mike Lindell is a Christian (his faith saved his life), he created hundreds to thousands of jobs in the U.S,, and he organized a charity that helps drug addicts (like himself) recover.

There's not enough space on the WWW to list all the BS the far left is trying to force upon ALL of us from far left to far right.
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Censorship, First Amendment, Free Speech Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Short of the obvious (e.g., "FIRE!", child porn, terrorist plotting, inciting riots), what F-ing legal or moral right does ANYONE in the U.S. have to dictate what we can read, think, say, publish, post, preach, etc.?

What the hell right do social media moguls, book publishers and sellers, the Squad, etc. to decide what we must believe?

A guy is looking at 10 years in federal prison for making fun of Hlllary on some social media (Twitter, Facebook ... who remembers or knows or cares which one?).

Doctors with better credentials than Fauci and Birx are censored in every media from the WWW to Simon and Schuster to Barnes & Noble for presenting anything contradicting the Fauci and Birx Moving Target Show.

And that goes WAY beyond this or any other pandemic, into such fields as cholesterol, sat fats, T2DM, many surgeries, pharmaceutical drugs, much more.

Fake News are doing their damnedest to shut down Fox News because they dare present both sides of controversial issues.

Nutrition researchers are being censored and blackballed for favoring science over dogma regarding the foods we should eat and avoid when it contradicts the various food manufacturing lobbies and their death-dealing food pyramids.

Anyone who denies that "Climate Change" is going to kill us all before 2030 is a deplorable fool.

"My Pillow" -- hands down the best pillow I've ever tried -- is now banned from many retail outlets because Mike Lindell is a Christian (his faith saved his life), he created hundreds to thousands of jobs in the U.S,, and he organized a charity that helps drug addicts (like himself) recover.

There's not enough space on the WWW to list all the BS the far left is trying to force upon ALL of us from far left to far right.


Yet another screed from an uneducated fool. Try learning something before spouting off:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution


Which of your scenarios involves the application of a federal law banning speech? None.

As far as your claim that "A guy is looking at 10 years in federal prison for making fun of Hlllary on some social media (Twitter, Facebook ... who remembers or knows or cares which one?)."

That's not quite correct. The allegations are far different:

A West Palm Beach man known as an alt-right internet troll was arrested Wednesday for his role in a scheme to help former President Donald Trump win the 2016 election by duping Hillary Clinton supporters into casting invalid ballots, according to court records.

Douglass Mackey, 31, used several social media accounts under the name Ricky Vaughn to “disseminate misinformation designed to deprive individuals of their constitutional right to vote,” according to a criminal complaint unsealed in federal court Wednesday.

Mackey was arrested Wednesday, then released on $50,000 bond.

“What Mackey allegedly did to interfere with this process — by soliciting voters to cast their ballots via text — amounted to nothing short of vote theft,” said William F. Sweeney Jr., assistant director in charge of the FBI’s New York Field Office, in a statement. “It is illegal behavior and contributes to the erosion of the public’s trust in our electoral processes.”


https://www.tampabay.com/news/breaking-news/2021/01/29/florida-social-media-influencer-arrested-tied-to-clinton-voter-casting-invalid-ballots-in-2016/
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mac



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey was wrong?
Oh dear.
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MyPillow created hundreds to thousands of jobs???

Most sources say around 1500. Their website states 1500 and Mike most recently told the NY Times he had 2500 employees.

"MyPillow is based in Chaska, Minn., and Mr. Lindell said in an interview this week that it employed nearly 2,500 people."


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swchandler



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a way I have to pity isobars swinging wildly at the air around him and deeply howling at the moon. He must be hearing voices in his head taunting him endlessly.
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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever had a forum post deleted Isobars? Of course you have. Case closed dummy.
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isobans



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

free speech script:

at the tea party:

Trump: "You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything"

ISO: "OF COURSE it's the woman's right to choose ... WHETHER TO SPREAD HER LEGS. Beyond that point biology takes over. Neither she nor Obama has the right to let a viable newborn die on the slab just because Mommy Dearest no longer wants it. Certified videos prove that mac, Chandler, vientocaliente, Dean, Obama, Billy Graham, Mother Theresa, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden gleefully eat/ate deep-fried fried human babies for breakfast. No one has ever SEEN those videos, but by golly they exist, because "I seen it in The Atlantic"."

Real quote: -iso 2020

Nothing personal, you idiots (including the non-blacks who support such total bullshit), but how about a free FUCK YOU, you greedy bastards? You're living in the best environment on the planet to take the bull by the horns LEGITIMATELY and succeed. Do something with that opportunity rather than lying in the streets, blaming and harming and murdering the cops who protect your asses better than they protect mine in many cities, and saying I'm guilty of something my ancestors may have done (I have no idea, because it's totally irrelevant, who or what my ancestors were or did.) Get a freaking job, invent something special, and consider WORKING for life's rewards, just like everybody else had to do.

And even though I was born and raised in rural Alabama in the '40s, '50s and '60s, including finishing high school in Montgomery in 1961, I haven't been back there in decades. In just one year in Montgomery and a trip through it a few years later, I personally saw a nighttime KKK march through a neighborhood, MLK's subsequent march into Montgomery from Selma, and Negroes/colored people (those were the preferred term for them back then) forcing whites off the downtown sidewalks on a daily basis. But Rebel flags? Very rare back then.

But none of that poses the same threat as today's demands such as I reprinted above. BLM now has much more power than either U.S. political party, and that should scare the hell out of every human being within our borders. Far too many gullible, misinformed idiots of all colors actually believe, or just want the cash fallout of, their claims and demands. Stack the violent actions of the criminal, murderous, pillaging, arsonist anarchists like Antifa who simply want to overthrow the government by force on the backs of the legitimate protesters, and our nation could be devastated irreparably if these insane, spineless, liberal mayors and governors are allowed to transform "Protect and Serve" to "Run and Hide", strip our police forces of everything but batons and firearms, leave citizens on their own to defend themselves from violence, then try to take even that capability away from them.

Then there's the most asinine, insane, nation-destroying demand of all, straight from the BLM platform splattered in large, bold print over two full pages of our newspaper recently: WE DEMAND NOT ONLY REPARATIONS BUT FREE EVERYTHING, INCLUDING FREE COLLEGE, FREE FOOD, FREE HOUSING, FREE HEALTHCARE, AND FREE ET.AL.

And while you're at it, stop implying your lives matter more than every non-black's. ALL lives matter, at least until their voluntary, deliberate behavior proves otherwise. (Let's face it: whose life matters and contributes more to society ... the shopkeeper or the piece of garbage who beats the shopkeeper into oblivion and torches his shop for freaking kicks?)

Oh, Jesus Christ, mac ... I haven't even looked at your no-doubt-stupid post, but the title alone reinforces our conclusion made years ago that forums serve only one purpose for you: stir up the porta potty, add still more shit to it, and pour it into the parking lot to see how much trouble and hatred you can generate among a group who should be friends.

I agree with Dr. Laura's tirade: OF COURSE it's the woman's right to choose ... WHETHER TO SPREAD HER LEGS. Beyond that point biology takes over. Neither she nor Obama has the right to let a viable newborn die on the slab just because Mommy Dearest no longer wants it.

It's getting way too obvious (toilet paper everywhere) that many people are using the wooded section between the big, maintained, unlocked boat ramp parking lot pit toilet and the river. That's what got that entire ferry landing area closed off completely for years, and the toilet is just 15-25 steps from where everybody's parking. We aren't bears; do we HAVE to crap in the woods behind and less easily accessible than the toilet?

What a concept! A buncha people gathering at some fairly random, forlorn, boring-as-hell-LOOKING spot just off the center of absolutely NOWHERE to see how many ways they can turn NOTHIN' into a long weekend of family fun without burning down even ONE family business or shouting "STARBOARD" at someone else having just as much fun.

How many lefturd media have reported the 911 transcript of the terrified Mom repeatedly begging for police help as rioters climbed onto her car and had her little girl crying in terror as they were trying to shop for groceries?

I once had a guy follow me almost at a jog (i.e., he probably hadn't moved as fast in his life as my normal walking pace) through a large mall and into a store to ask me for a handout. His frigging wristwatch and his sneakers were EACH worth more than everything I was wearing INCLUDING my watch and my prescription eyeglasses. I don't recall what color his skin was, because I don't give a crap, but the incident manifested the handout mentality of a large segment of our population. You know, the whole Bernie Sanders, AOC, BLM, DNC, Pelosi, et.al. FREE EVERYTHING socialist crowd.

Just one tiny example will be the day a frantic 911 call about a home or business invasion gets no response, by mayoral decree. Oh, yeah ... that's already happened many times the past few months. Violent crime has risen hundreds of percent in many cities run by far left mayors because they handcuffed their police; if the same mindset resides in the White House, that shit's coming to Mayberry on steroids before Biden can mumble "I do slomnally swear (or affirm) that I will facelemly exemplify the office of President of the Mewnited State, and will do as good as I can to deserve, project, and make a mockurary of the ... the thing, you know, the THING. Now where's my birthday cake, and who is this Negro lady standing here reaching for my POTUS hat? This is MY birthday party, not hers".

OF COURSE it's the woman's right to choose ... WHETHER TO SPREAD HER LEGS. Beyond that point biology takes over. Neither she nor Obama has the right to let a viable newborn die on the slab just because Mommy Dearest no longer wants it.

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-iso 2020

you may ban the man but the words are forever
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
In a way I have to pity isobars swinging wildly at the air around him and deeply howling at the moon. He must be hearing voices in his head taunting him endlessly.


He has been tilting at windmills since day one.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, we have to remember that isobars has been an avid windsurfer for years. He gets kudos from me for that.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
To be fair, we have to remember that isobars has been an avid windsurfer for years. He gets kudos from me for that.


That's why is so puzzling that's he such a a bitter, nasty old fella. Nothing puts a smile on my face like a good sesh, or maybe knee deep pow, or the brown pow MTB trails.
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