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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Just spent a few minutes reading the Safe Drinking Water Act--it was enacted long after I left EPA. Something a conservatve screecher would never try. Efforts to hook EPA into the blame chain remain propoganda rather than reasoning. The structure of the Act is simple: EPA sets standards under the Act, the State's administer them. Specifically, Section 1413 states "a State has primary responsibility for public water systems" |
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mrgybe
Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 5180
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: au |
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mac wrote: | Reading comprehension eludes you again? Mrgybe has repeatedly repeated the GOP claims that this is a failure of government at all levels. In fact, it is a direct result of bad judgement and ideological zeal by the Republican governor and his appointees. Against, it now is established, advice from those who knew better. Spin that between your cheeks. |
Repeatedly repeated!!! UC Berkeley education at it's finest. Can he really be that ignorant? Even someone who has spent his entire life in a myopic left wing ideological bubble would realize that the Governor is part of government. Perhaps a little too complex after an evening in O'Malley's. |
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mrgybe
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | Efforts to hook EPA into the blame chain remain propoganda rather than reasoning. |
Pssst. Someone break it to him gently. The EPA admitted they were at fault weeks ago. They really should have told him, poor fella. Left him looking foolish. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:26 pm Post subject: or |
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Get out the straight jackets. Mrgybe just can't understand the difference between cause and effect. Why did Flint citizens get exposed to high lead in their water?
1. Flint, like much of the midwest, was hollowed out by policies that favored off-shoring jobs. Republicans and Clinton Democrats cooperated in establishing those policies. Republicans called for letting the auto industry fade into history--while suggesting nothing to replace its jobs.
2. Flint, like many cities, suffers from aging infrastructure, and the anti-government fools that have taken over the GOP refuse to invest in infrastructure--particularly for poor, black and Democratic cities.
3. Michigan elected a governor who touted the ideology of austerity.
4. Michigan gave the governor the authority to appoint someone to manage Flint and bypass most local controls.
5. The party of know nothingism about government, after all, how hard could it be, decided to save money by ignoring the advice of civil servants who know something about water supply.
6. The State environmental agency, under political appointees of the Republican governor, ignored complaints--and then covered up the problems.
After all of those causes, mrgybe is correct--EPA failed to clean up the Republican mess fast enough. Maybe we should actually do something to improve the safety of our drinking water supply? Naw, too expensive. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:49 am Post subject: |
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More e-mails are released. Is there any question that electing amateurs to elective office leads to bad results?
Quote: | By Ben Klayman
DETROIT (Reuters) – Quality problems prompted two of Michigan Governor Rick Snyder’s top lawyers to urge that Flint be moved back to the Detroit water system just months after a decision to draw water supply from the Flint River, according to emails released on Friday.
Several critics have called for Snyder to resign over concerns about the state’s poor handling of the crisis, and the governor said Friday he felt regret every day.
Flint switched its water supply from Detroit to the Flint River in April 2014 in a bid to cut costs when the city was under a state-appointed emergency manager.
While the city switched its water source back to Detroit in October 2015, corrosive water from the river had already leached lead from city pipes, posing a serious threat to public health.
Snyder’s aides discussed Flint’s water quality problems as early as autumn 2014, with one calling the situation “downright scary,” about a year before the switch back to the Detroit system was finally made. The Detroit Free Press and Detroit News earlier reported about the emails, which were released by the governor’s office.
“That’s where I’m kicking myself every day,” Snyder said after signing a $30 million supplemental bill to reimburse Flint residents for their water bills. “I wish I would have asked more questions.”
Snyder, scheduled to testify to Congress on March 17, has repeatedly apologized for the state’s poor handling of the crisis.
Liberal group Progress Michigan again called for Snyder to resign, citing the emails.
“There’s no reasonable person who can believe at this point that every top adviser to Rick Snyder knew that there was an issue, but Snyder knew nothing,” said executive director Lonnie Scott, who also called for Snyder’s resignation.
Valerie Brader, Snyder’s senior policy adviser, addressed problems over the quality of Flint River water in an email to the governor’s chief of staff, Dennis Muchmore, and others on Oct. 14, 2014.
She argued Flint should be returned to the Detroit water system, citing bacterial contamination and reduced quality that prompted General Motors to switch away from the river due to rusted car parts.
Michael Godola, then the governor’s legal counsel, responded, calling the Flint River as a water source “downright scary.”
On Friday, State Representative Sheldon Neeley of Flint asked Attorney General Bill Schuette for his legal opinion on whether an official withholding information that leads to death or harm can be charged criminally.
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Rather than admit that Republican austerity policies have damaged the health of poor black people, and that Republicans dithered while evidence amounted, let's block funding for infrastructure and blame EPA. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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You guys sound like the candidates in a GOP debate. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Cognitive dissonance or chemo-brain? Or some deeper mental illness? |
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techno900
Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:57 am Post subject: |
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mac said: Quote: | Rather than admit that Republican austerity policies have damaged the health of poor black people, and that Republicans dithered while evidence amounted, let's block funding for infrastructure and blame EPA. |
Is Detroit all black? Or is this just a feeble attempt to bring racism into the picture? |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:38 am Post subject: d |
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Flint (and Detroit) are predominately black. Detroit is surrounded by white suburbs--have you forgotten white flight? And the takeover of local political structures has disproportionately disenfranchised black communities. Aren't you glad you asked? |
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techno900
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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As usual, the point is that both Flint and Detroit have blacks and whites living there. The water issue is bad news for ALL races. To bring race into the issue only pushes the left's racism agenda, when that isn't the issue at hand. |
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