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mrgybe
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:11 am Post subject: |
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"Some people find it so hard to apologize that getting them to admit to even the smallest wrongdoing involves a major battle—and often a fruitless one. Although we might perceive the reluctance of these non-apologists as simple defensiveness or pride, often a far deeper psychological dynamic is at play: Refusing to apologize often reflects efforts to protect a fragile sense of self." |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Now that was a constructive effort to focus on ideas. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:53 am Post subject: |
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mrgybe wrote: | "Some people find it so hard to apologize that getting them to admit to even the smallest wrongdoing involves a major battle—and often a fruitless one. Although we might perceive the reluctance of these non-apologists as simple defensiveness or pride, often a far deeper psychological dynamic is at play: Refusing to apologize often reflects efforts to protect a fragile sense of self." |
That's why I'm surprised at the criticism of Tony Blair for apologizing for his Gulf War mistakes. It at least indicates he is connected wth reality, unlike Obama and Hillary (if we're to believe the defenders who say they are not simply liars). |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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For anyone who is actually interested in education, rather than trolling so they can bash liberals and Obama, there is an interesting article in the Washington Post that begins with this:
Quote: | The 2015 scores for the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) are out, and the news isn’t good for those who think standardized test scores tell us something significant about student achievement.
NAEP is often called the nation’s report card because it is the only measure of student achievement given periodically to a sampling of students around the nation. It is seen by many as a high-quality test though it has many critics, too, some of whom say that the NAEP definition of “proficiency” is unnaturally high, and that the test cannot measure many of the qualities students must develop to be successful. | https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/10/28/what-the-national-drop-in-2015-naep-test-scores-really-means/
You can read on and get a take from Carol Burris, who works with Diane Ravitch. (Ravitch was the #2 person in the Department of Education under Bush I, so has a take that I think is particularly valuable.) She is not a supporter of either Arne Duncan, or those like mrgybe so eager to use test scores to evaluate teachers. It is a more complicated issue that red state blue state nostrums. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Still waiting for some constructive suggestions. Perhaps those that might survive legally and politically. Better yet, those shown by research to be effective? Not holding my breath. |
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