Culture wars

nw30 · Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:20 pm Post subject:

swc~
I guess my question had nothing to do with the way you awkwardly worded it, give me a break.

And,

Yes, but you shouldn't be surprised, as I am not with you being an anti-war for almost all reasons guy.
I want to read his new book "Exceptional".

Now I'll ask you one question, did you agree with Charles Lindberg before we entered WWII?

coboardhead · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303

The world is the most chaotic sine WWII?

the world is safer:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html

Oops...sorry to interject some actual data here...carry on.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Charles Lindbergh's opinions, and what they might mean today? Maybe you can enlighten me. It must have been something that you read somewhere.

Frankly, I'm more about today. The right might be reaching to find some credibility in their positions, but so far, they have offered nothing that I'm impressed with. But again, maybe a guy like Cheney appeals to you, and maybe a few other right wing military aggros on your side of fence.

While Cheney isn't running, who's the star in this area at the moment? Maybe it's a hawk like Senator Graham, and his avid supporter in concept, Senator McCain. But then again, maybe Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann is more to your liking. Not like Cheney, but rabid and stupid enough to offer some rather bizarre ideas and interpretations about desired US policy today.

nw30 · Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:13 pm Post subject:

Okay, so much for the attempt at a mature conversation, and the question that goes to the heart of the culture of what war is and isn't.
Never mind.
Didn't mean to get you all uppity. Geeesh, the left today, so sensitive.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Come on, you can't give up so easily. But then again, maybe there isn't that much under your tent.

mrgybe · Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 5181

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Hey, so maybe it's time to kick some ass, right? What do you suggest, and who's your most capable leader in setting things right? Cheney's not running, so who's leading the pack? Lots of important questions, so what's the call for 2016?

GURGLETROUSERS · Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 2643

In support of Mr Gybes response.

That article makes an assumption. i.e. it is a numbers game, and since the claimed death rate is declining, we are safer.

In a world of nuclear proliferation it would require a single instance of some state sponsored terrorist group to detonate a nuclear device in a major western city, to prove the opposite.

Does any thinking person really imagine that the world is now safer, and that such a thing is never likely to occur? Or what such an act would almost inevitably lead to in response?

And no S.W., I don't have an answer, but neither, as far as I can see, does anybody else!

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Who's advocating having the hair trigger ready to make America greater? Isn't that what Trump is speaking about?

Of course, making it all happen is a lot more sophisticated and complex than the simplified hype often promoted. How can we strut our stuff and get what we want around the world without any real grief? The right makes it sound so easy, but as we all know, it isn't that simple. After the Korean War, have we as the greatest nation on earth made the North Koreans go away after almost 60 years? Yet, listening to American Exceptionalists, ultimate and lasting glory is at our fingertips.

mrgybe · Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 5181