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techno900
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Liberals and conservatives see things differently in regards to where we want the country to go and how we get there. It's unlikely that there will be agreement on many, many issues, so the direction the country will go depends upon the voters.
swchandler said: | Quote: | | You might want to foolishly ignore all his lies and blatant deceit, but I can't. |
Who is "foolishly ignoring"? He is the President and there is little you or I can do except vote and of course, express our opinions when appropriate. The real story will be kicked off at the mid-terms and finalized in 2020.
Trump or Hillary? - It would still be Trump for conservatives, but I am hoping there is a good conservative alternative to Trump running in 2020.
Maybe someone from the left will run on an anti ICE platform. Wouldn't that be wonderful for the right. |
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swchandler
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I used to remember that Republicans had principles about free trade and a our cooperation and support for international allies. Why did they abandon what they've long been know for? Who would have guessed that Republicans would eagerly support a dishonest con man that rants that the free press is an enemy of the American people.
The idea of a "good conservative" is a pretty rare thing these days, but I'm encouraged that there are still some left that understand the threat that Donald Trump poses to this country and the world. They're not foolishly looking the other way and ignoring what's happening like the majority of Republicans seem to be doing. |
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techno900
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swchandler said: | Quote: | | Who would have guessed that Republicans would eagerly support a dishonest con man that rants that the free press is an enemy of the American people. |
That should give you a clue about what we though about Hillary. |
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mac
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Did she plead no contest to money laundering and racial discrimination? Are those no longer crimes? How many of her campaign officials and close associates have been indicted and pleaded guilty?
Is there a double standard here? To be sure. |
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mat-ty
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| mac wrote: | Did she plead no contest to money laundering and racial discrimination? Are those no longer crimes? How many of her campaign officials and close associates have been indicted and pleaded guilty?
Is there a double standard here? To be sure. |
Was she targeted by the FBI and DOJ by haters seeking to discredit her????
No, it was the exact opposite, she was handed a get out of jail card and the rules were ignored to protect her.
We now know this as facts, the evidence is overwhelming. |
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swchandler
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Why are you guys still talking about Hillary Clinton? I guess she is so greatly hated by you guys, and it's just too hard to let her go. Got to keep the hate alive.
Really though, I think that she's often presented as an unartful dodge, just like what techno900 and mat-ty just did. |
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real-human
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| techno900 wrote: | swchandler said: | Quote: | | Who would have guessed that Republicans would eagerly support a dishonest con man that rants that the free press is an enemy of the American people. |
That should give you a clue about what we though about Hillary. |
really she had right-wing partisan hearing held by Trey et all for what 4 years, she even testified in front of the right wing controlled committees and they spent over 7 million just on that investigation.
Give us a liberal independent counsel right now that is not a life long republican and I promise you trump would be going to jail as well as many of his top people. again trump can be tried for raping a 13 year old still to this date. That crime occurred 20 something years ago but because of the threats on her and her family the statute of limitations does not end. Remember the right wing still have some female from bill clintons times some 40 years ago showing up with their hate groups. Kennith Star could not even get a grand jury to give on indictment with her or other issues.
So again both Bill and Hillary have testified, bill even when president. Hillary after she left the government.
Lets put Trump on the stand... well it appears he will have to testify over his so called charity that is being brought to court for abuses.
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mac
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Pruitt gone, but the war on public health in service of higher profits continues.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/06/epa-formaldehyde-warnings-blocked-696628
| Quote: | | The administration is preventing the release of a draft health assessment completed by EPA scientists shortly before President Donald Trump took office, which warns that most Americans breathe in enough formaldehyde vapor to put them at risk of leukemia and other health problems, according to a current and a former EPA official. Andrew Wheeler, who becomes acting EPA administrator on Monday, was staff director to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee in 2004 under then-Chairman Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), who tried to delay an earlier version of the study. (Politico) |
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