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isobars
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I was initially disgusted with the GOP and the president for caving on the budget, but closer examination changed my mind ... for now. DACA, abortion (Planned Parenthood) funding by taxpayers, the wall, and many other issues we caved on can be fixed some other time, but strengthening our military takes so DAMNED long, our defense credibility and thus all-out war deterrence was SO damaged during Obama's reign (I'll take a pres who grabs it over one who IS one any day), and the global threats to our very existence are growing way out of control in number and magnitude that we're running out of time to fix the biggest problem: the free world's waning freedom and security.
Step One was a big and quick bang for the buck: appointing a war hawk like Bolton had to get the bad guys' attention even if he IS merely an advisor. Without credibility there is no such thing as deterrence.
Maybe increasing our defense posture IS worth caving on so many abominable internal social issues. Maybe the new White House is looking beyond the upcoming election(s). What good's a wall or a war on MS-13 or deporting a few hundred thousand violent illegal aliens if we're militarily defeated by any or several of the 4 or 5 entities capable now or very soon of defeating us with a wide variety of weapons?
Each of us has compromised on some important issues to gain even more important victories. Maybe ... just maybe ... that's what happened Friday. |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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It also proved that the dems really aren't that interested in a rapid DACA solution. They'd rather have it continue to go on as long as they don't have the White House so that the issue stays alive.
They think that we don't notice that, as Schumer and Pelosi celebrate their, ahem, "victory". |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17750 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | It also proved that the dems really aren't that interested in a rapid DACA solution. They'd rather have it continue to go on as long as they don't have the White House so that the issue stays alive.
They think that we don't notice that, as Schumer and Pelosi celebrate their, ahem, "victory". |
Where do you get this nonsense? The fat liar in chief? The most ignorant thing you hve typed this week. |
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mac
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swchandler
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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NW30, when DACA is ridiculously tied to spending billions on building a foolish wall, it's sadly a no-go. Your lame attempt to crap on Democrats is specious at best. If the DACA issue was addressed a single issue, it would easy pass with bi-partisan support, and I think that you know that.
Until the Democrats win the House or Senate, or maybe both, they have literally no control of the congressional agenda. Come November, I'm hoping that that all changes. Passing DACA legislation would then be a slam-dunk effort. |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Until then Schumer and Pelosi will continue there victory party.
As Schumer said "the era of austerity is over!".
A very happy man, DACA you say? What's that? |
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swchandler
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, Donald Trump ended DACA. But, the federal courts have interceded, and so DACA lives on. I'm sure that Senator Schumer and House Minority Leader Pelosi are very aware of where we are right now.
Needless to say, it's a political negotiation, and Trump is seemingly coming up short right now. He had to whine a bit, but he signed the bill.
The way things are going, time doesn't seem to be on his side with DACA. Of course, he can still be the jerk we know so well. Only time will tell how the story unfolds. |
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mac
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | Until then Schumer and Pelosi will continue there victory party.
As Schumer said "the era of austerity is over!".
A very happy man, DACA you say? What's that? |
You spell as poorly as you think and do research. You are exactly why Republicans hate higher education. The hell with the benefits to the culture and economy, uneducated fools vote red. |
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real-human
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:23 am Post subject: |
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isobars wrote: | I was initially disgusted with the GOP and the president for caving on the budget, but closer examination changed my mind ... for now. DACA, abortion (Planned Parenthood) funding by taxpayers, the wall, and many other issues we caved on can be fixed some other time, but strengthening our military takes so DAMNED long, our defense credibility and thus all-out war deterrence was SO damaged during Obama's reign (I'll take a pres who grabs it over one who IS one any day), and the global threats to our very existence are growing way out of control in number and magnitude that we're running out of time to fix the biggest problem: the free world's waning freedom and security.
Step One was a big and quick bang for the buck: appointing a war hawk like Bolton had to get the bad guys' attention even if he IS merely an advisor. Without credibility there is no such thing as deterrence.
Maybe increasing our defense posture IS worth caving on so many abominable internal social issues. Maybe the new White House is looking beyond the upcoming election(s). What good's a wall or a war on MS-13 or deporting a few hundred thousand violent illegal aliens if we're militarily defeated by any or several of the 4 or 5 entities capable now or very soon of defeating us with a wide variety of weapons?
Each of us has compromised on some important issues to gain even more important victories. Maybe ... just maybe ... that's what happened Friday. |
a right wing flunkie who can not back up his opinion... we ain't buying your short term thinking Jim Jones coolaid brand. _________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | nw30 wrote: | Until then Schumer and Pelosi will continue there victory party.
As Schumer said "the era of austerity is over!".
A very happy man, DACA you say? What's that? |
You spell as poorly as you think and do research. You are exactly why Republicans hate higher education. The hell with the benefits to the culture and economy, uneducated fools vote red. |
NO! Not again!!! Try to cope.
Speaking of higher education, you missed a great chance to get back into the stock market on Friday, where were you?
Sorry now it's too late again. |
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