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mac
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| coboardhead wrote: | | mac wrote: | | nw30 wrote: | LOL, do you really want to go down the pardon road with the record of who all Clinton and Obama pardoned? Seriously?
Have fun. |
Just when you think it can’t be more ignorant—it is. |
Maybe he should check Obama's and Clinton's numbers against Saint Reagan's. Do these people ever read a full sentence or paragraph? Do they ever check any facts? Do they only present a side of history that supports their view? |
That’s the wonderful thing about Trumpists. There are no facts. It must be mercury. |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | coboardhead wrote: | | mac wrote: | | nw30 wrote: | LOL, do you really want to go down the pardon road with the record of who all Clinton and Obama pardoned? Seriously?
Have fun. |
Just when you think it can’t be more ignorant—it is. |
Maybe he should check Obama's and Clinton's numbers against Saint Reagan's. Do these people ever read a full sentence or paragraph? Do they ever check any facts? Do they only present a side of history that supports their view? |
That’s the wonderful thing about Trumpists. There are no facts. It must be mercury. |
No one has spread more bullshit than you....batting .111 for the past three years..
I can't wait for mac to defend all of Bloombergs conflicts of interest.....They are ten fold of anything we have seen with Trump....not to mention his global media empire. |
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mac
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Astonishing. Matty can't point to a single false statement that I have posted--so he just makes shit up. Typical of a bigot that can't or won't read anything longer than a Trump tweet.
The most amazing thing is the recruitment of "conservatives" into the destruction of the rule of law and accountability. We are watching them turn back flips as Trump announces that he will pardon those around him who have committed crimes for him, or other crimes like Arpaio where they have abused their office--as long as they keep silent. Defending Rush Limbaugh and Roger Stone can only be done by those without a conscience. |
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vientomas
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What is the point of Trump's tweet about the Judge who is going to sentence Stone? Nothing in the tweet is true...
"Is this the Judge that put Paul Manafort in SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, something that not even mobster Al Capone had to endure? How did she treat Crooked Hillary Clinton? Just asking!" Trump tweeted last week.
Manafort was never held in solitary confinement and Jackson didn't control the conditions of his detainment when she sent him to jail in June 2018.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/roger-stone-hearing/index.html |
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techno900
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vientomas said: | Quote: | | Manafort was never held in solitary confinement and Jackson didn't control the conditions of his detainment when she sent him to jail in June 2018. |
There are hundreds of news stories that say he was held in solitary confinement for his own protection. You may want to do some more research. |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | vientomas said: | Quote: | | Manafort was never held in solitary confinement and Jackson didn't control the conditions of his detainment when she sent him to jail in June 2018. |
There are hundreds of news stories that say he was held in solitary confinement for his own protection. You may want to do some more research. |
Once a judge places a defendant in jail (remanded), it is the jail that determines the level of confinement, not the judge. You may want to do some more research.
BTW, Manfort's "solitary confinement"...not so arduous: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4594541/117-Main.pdf |
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techno900
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Your statement: | Quote: | | Manafort was never held in solitary confinement |
Simply not true no matter how you spin it. |
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | Your statement: | Quote: | | Manafort was never held in solitary confinement |
Simply not true no matter how you spin it. |
Technically true--although he had access to a computer and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on his side. Perhaps some were afraid he would be stabbed if in the general population. |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | Your statement: | Quote: | | Manafort was never held in solitary confinement |
Simply not true no matter how you spin it. |
The point is...which is lost on you, is that the Judge had nothing to do with the nature of Manafort's incarceration. The jailer did.
Among the unique privileges Manafort enjoys at the jail are a private, self-contained living unit, which is larger than other inmates’ units, his own bathroom and shower facility, his own personal telephone, and his own workspace to prepare for trial. Manafort is also not required to wear a
prison uniform. On the monitored prison phone calls, Manafort has mentioned that he is being treated like a “VIP.” |
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mac
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Also lost on the Trumpists is the accusation that Manafort was tampering with witnesses. This is why he was jailed, and almost certainly why he was held in a manner so he couldn’t continue to commit that crime.
Not lost on those not addicts to Fox news and peanuts out of Trump’s ass is that the crimes Manafort and Stone were convicted of are straight out of the mafia playbook. We elected the don, not the Donald. |
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