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vientomas



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
MalibuGuru wrote:
Kinetic war must be run by the executive branch. However within 30 days Congress must declare war, or end hostilities


Was the Iraq War a "war"? Did the Congress declare war? Did the Iraq war last longer than 30 days. How 'bout Vietnam, same questions.

Do you have any concept of history? Do you ever read books?



Passed by congress you stupid little man..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002


Changed by congress after Vietnam

During the Korean and Vietnam wars, the United States found itself involved for many years in situations of intense conflict without a declaration of war. Many members of Congress became concerned with the erosion of congressional authority to decide when the United States should become involved in a war or the use of armed forces that might lead to war. It was prompted by news leaking out that President Nixon conducted secret bombings of Cambodia during the Vietnam War without notifying Congress.

The War Powers Resolution was passed by both the House of Representatives and Senate but was vetoed by President Richard Nixon. By a two-thirds vote in each house, Congress overrode the veto and enacted the joint resolution into law on November 7, 1973.


Imbicile. You cannot even be bothered to educate yourself on the facts before you spout off your nonsense:

The War Powers Act—officially called the War Powers Resolution—was enacted in November 1973 over an executive veto by President Richard M. Nixon.

The law’s text frames it as a means of guaranteeing that “the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply” whenever the American armed forces are deployed overseas. To that end, it requires the President to consult with the legislature “in every possible instance” before committing troops to war.

The resolution also sets down reporting requirements for the chief executive, including the responsibility to notify Congress within 48 hours whenever military forces are introduced “into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances.”


Additionally, the law stipulates that Presidents are required to end foreign military actions after 60 days unless Congress provides a declaration of war or an authorization for the operation to continue.

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/war-powers-act

Guru deflects Trump's reckless act by claiming Congress should declare war. Essentially putting the burden on Congress and saving Trump from himself. When I inqure if he has any knowledge on the subject, he is silent and you pipe up. Again, based on the law you cited (which you clearly did not read or understand), why did the Iraq War take place with no declaration of war as required by the War Powers Act? The Iraq War lasted longer than 60 days. If Bush could wage war without a declaration of war, why could not Trump do the same in Syria? Why should it be placed at the feet of Congress?




Congress asshole...but nice try....you were wrong...again

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm


WTF are you talking about D-Bag. Did you read my post? It says "Congress" 5 times. Are you drunk posting sweetie?
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
MalibuGuru wrote:
Kinetic war must be run by the executive branch. However within 30 days Congress must declare war, or end hostilities


Was the Iraq War a "war"? Did the Congress declare war? Did the Iraq war last longer than 30 days. How 'bout Vietnam, same questions.

Do you have any concept of history? Do you ever read books?



Passed by congress you stupid little man..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002


Changed by congress after Vietnam

During the Korean and Vietnam wars, the United States found itself involved for many years in situations of intense conflict without a declaration of war. Many members of Congress became concerned with the erosion of congressional authority to decide when the United States should become involved in a war or the use of armed forces that might lead to war. It was prompted by news leaking out that President Nixon conducted secret bombings of Cambodia during the Vietnam War without notifying Congress.

The War Powers Resolution was passed by both the House of Representatives and Senate but was vetoed by President Richard Nixon. By a two-thirds vote in each house, Congress overrode the veto and enacted the joint resolution into law on November 7, 1973.


Imbicile. You cannot even be bothered to educate yourself on the facts before you spout off your nonsense:

The War Powers Act—officially called the War Powers Resolution—was enacted in November 1973 over an executive veto by President Richard M. Nixon.

The law’s text frames it as a means of guaranteeing that “the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply” whenever the American armed forces are deployed overseas. To that end, it requires the President to consult with the legislature “in every possible instance” before committing troops to war.

The resolution also sets down reporting requirements for the chief executive, including the responsibility to notify Congress within 48 hours whenever military forces are introduced “into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances.”


Additionally, the law stipulates that Presidents are required to end foreign military actions after 60 days unless Congress provides a declaration of war or an authorization for the operation to continue.

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/war-powers-act

Guru deflects Trump's reckless act by claiming Congress should declare war. Essentially putting the burden on Congress and saving Trump from himself. When I inqure if he has any knowledge on the subject, he is silent and you pipe up. Again, based on the law you cited (which you clearly did not read or understand), why did the Iraq War take place with no declaration of war as required by the War Powers Act? The Iraq War lasted longer than 60 days. If Bush could wage war without a declaration of war, why could not Trump do the same in Syria? Why should it be placed at the feet of Congress?




Congress asshole...but nice try....you were wrong...again

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm


WTF are you talking about D-Bag. Did you read my post? It says "Congress" 5 times. Are you drunk posting sweetie?



Cornered like a rat......you claimed Congress does not declare war and the fact is they do according to the constitution... keep dancing little man...
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a great synopsis of the crazy Democrats debate last night

https://www.facebook.com/261724744159752/posts/1077299549268930/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e

Too funny
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Here's a great synopsis of the crazy Democrats debate last night

https://www.facebook.com/261724744159752/posts/1077299549268930/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e

Too funny



Tulsi is the only one that sounds like a rational person....the rest are pathetic and batshit crazy.
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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disagree...Mayor Pete separated in my view. A true centrist/ pragmatist --Clinton like.

speaking of batshit crazy, looks like local Beantown hero turned scammer, turned lunatic Curt Shilling wont be running for Congress, I think Drumpf has a sad over this...
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
MalibuGuru wrote:
Kinetic war must be run by the executive branch. However within 30 days Congress must declare war, or end hostilities


Was the Iraq War a "war"? Did the Congress declare war? Did the Iraq war last longer than 30 days. How 'bout Vietnam, same questions.

Do you have any concept of history? Do you ever read books?



Passed by congress you stupid little man..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002


Changed by congress after Vietnam

During the Korean and Vietnam wars, the United States found itself involved for many years in situations of intense conflict without a declaration of war. Many members of Congress became concerned with the erosion of congressional authority to decide when the United States should become involved in a war or the use of armed forces that might lead to war. It was prompted by news leaking out that President Nixon conducted secret bombings of Cambodia during the Vietnam War without notifying Congress.

The War Powers Resolution was passed by both the House of Representatives and Senate but was vetoed by President Richard Nixon. By a two-thirds vote in each house, Congress overrode the veto and enacted the joint resolution into law on November 7, 1973.


Imbicile. You cannot even be bothered to educate yourself on the facts before you spout off your nonsense:

The War Powers Act—officially called the War Powers Resolution—was enacted in November 1973 over an executive veto by President Richard M. Nixon.

The law’s text frames it as a means of guaranteeing that “the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply” whenever the American armed forces are deployed overseas. To that end, it requires the President to consult with the legislature “in every possible instance” before committing troops to war.

The resolution also sets down reporting requirements for the chief executive, including the responsibility to notify Congress within 48 hours whenever military forces are introduced “into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances.”


Additionally, the law stipulates that Presidents are required to end foreign military actions after 60 days unless Congress provides a declaration of war or an authorization for the operation to continue.

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/war-powers-act

Guru deflects Trump's reckless act by claiming Congress should declare war. Essentially putting the burden on Congress and saving Trump from himself. When I inqure if he has any knowledge on the subject, he is silent and you pipe up. Again, based on the law you cited (which you clearly did not read or understand), why did the Iraq War take place with no declaration of war as required by the War Powers Act? The Iraq War lasted longer than 60 days. If Bush could wage war without a declaration of war, why could not Trump do the same in Syria? Why should it be placed at the feet of Congress?




Congress asshole...but nice try....you were wrong...again

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm


WTF are you talking about D-Bag. Did you read my post? It says "Congress" 5 times. Are you drunk posting sweetie?



Cornered like a rat......you claimed Congress does not declare war and the fact is they do according to the constitution... keep dancing little man...


Please quote me where I said Congress does not declare war. What I said is the War Powers act requires a Declaration by Congress, but there has been no Congressional Declaration of War since 1942. And, we have been at war since 1942 without a Congressional Declaration of War. If Bush could do it in Iraq, why can't Trump in Syria? That's the point you fucking dullard. You are too stupid to have a conversation with because you lack the ability to read and understand anything!
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nw30



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
MalibuGuru wrote:
Here's a great synopsis of the crazy Democrats debate last night

https://www.facebook.com/261724744159752/posts/1077299549268930/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e

Too funny



Tulsi is the only one that sounds like a rational person....the rest are pathetic and batshit crazy.
Agreed, and she knows a quagmire (Vietnam'esque) when she sees one, Syria, unlike the liberal wimps on this site who won't admit it, or even address it.
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
vientomas wrote:
MalibuGuru wrote:
Kinetic war must be run by the executive branch. However within 30 days Congress must declare war, or end hostilities


Was the Iraq War a "war"? Did the Congress declare war? Did the Iraq war last longer than 30 days. How 'bout Vietnam, same questions.

Do you have any concept of history? Do you ever read books?



Passed by congress you stupid little man..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002


Changed by congress after Vietnam

During the Korean and Vietnam wars, the United States found itself involved for many years in situations of intense conflict without a declaration of war. Many members of Congress became concerned with the erosion of congressional authority to decide when the United States should become involved in a war or the use of armed forces that might lead to war. It was prompted by news leaking out that President Nixon conducted secret bombings of Cambodia during the Vietnam War without notifying Congress.

The War Powers Resolution was passed by both the House of Representatives and Senate but was vetoed by President Richard Nixon. By a two-thirds vote in each house, Congress overrode the veto and enacted the joint resolution into law on November 7, 1973.


Imbicile. You cannot even be bothered to educate yourself on the facts before you spout off your nonsense:

The War Powers Act—officially called the War Powers Resolution—was enacted in November 1973 over an executive veto by President Richard M. Nixon.

The law’s text frames it as a means of guaranteeing that “the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply” whenever the American armed forces are deployed overseas. To that end, it requires the President to consult with the legislature “in every possible instance” before committing troops to war.

The resolution also sets down reporting requirements for the chief executive, including the responsibility to notify Congress within 48 hours whenever military forces are introduced “into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances.”


Additionally, the law stipulates that Presidents are required to end foreign military actions after 60 days unless Congress provides a declaration of war or an authorization for the operation to continue.

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/war-powers-act

Guru deflects Trump's reckless act by claiming Congress should declare war. Essentially putting the burden on Congress and saving Trump from himself. When I inqure if he has any knowledge on the subject, he is silent and you pipe up. Again, based on the law you cited (which you clearly did not read or understand), why did the Iraq War take place with no declaration of war as required by the War Powers Act? The Iraq War lasted longer than 60 days. If Bush could wage war without a declaration of war, why could not Trump do the same in Syria? Why should it be placed at the feet of Congress?




Congress asshole...but nice try....you were wrong...again

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm


WTF are you talking about D-Bag. Did you read my post? It says "Congress" 5 times. Are you drunk posting sweetie?



Cornered like a rat......you claimed Congress does not declare war and the fact is they do according to the constitution... keep dancing little man...


Please quote me where I said Congress does not declare war. What I said is the War Powers act requires a Declaration by Congress, but there has been no Congressional Declaration of War since 1942. And, we have been at war since 1942 without a Congressional Declaration of War. If Bush could do it in Iraq, why can't Trump in Syria? That's the point you fucking dullard. You are too stupid to have a conversation with because you lack the ability to read and understand anything!




lol....sounds like someone is having a little hissy fit...
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
MalibuGuru wrote:
Here's a great synopsis of the crazy Democrats debate last night

https://www.facebook.com/261724744159752/posts/1077299549268930/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e

Too funny



Tulsi is the only one that sounds like a rational person....the rest are pathetic and batshit crazy.
Agreed, and she knows a quagmire (Vietnam'esque) when she sees one, Syria, unlike the liberal wimps on this site who won't admit it, or even address it.


Turkey wants land to return refugees, that's what this is all about..
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
nw30 wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
MalibuGuru wrote:
Here's a great synopsis of the crazy Democrats debate last night

https://www.facebook.com/261724744159752/posts/1077299549268930/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e

Too funny



Tulsi is the only one that sounds like a rational person....the rest are pathetic and batshit crazy.
Agreed, and she knows a quagmire (Vietnam'esque) when she sees one, Syria, unlike the liberal wimps on this site who won't admit it, or even address it.


Turkey wants land to return refugees, that's what this is all about..


Exactly. 3 million refugees and a few thousand terrorists will return to Syria. Assad's will kill the terrorists.
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