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mrgybe
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Boggsy, The slowest recovery from recession since the 1930s. Household income well below pre-recession levels. Much slower job growth than in prior recoveries, and poorer quality jobs. Poverty rate has increased during this "recovery" contrary to prior recoveries. Productivity increases slower than prior recoveries. Yet, as with everything else that is unraveling around the world, President Obama remains blameless according to his dwindling group of faithful supporters. Prior Administrations have provided incentives for growth. Aside from the failed Stimulus Package........which merely propped up bloated local government budgets.......this Administration has not acted to encourage growth (not counting ISIS and global chaos). Quite the reverse. |
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boggsman1
Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Agree..But market forces or deleveraging is the #1 culprit...not presidential policy. Has Obama made some dubious moves? Yes. But delevering the global credit bubble is 100X anything political. Rarely does presidential policy have a huge impact on the 1100foot freighter better known as the US economy.
BTW-"dwindling group of faithful supporters"? not according to this weeks polling. 48% approval, and 53% on the economy. My favorite poll is the S&P 500...a little list of 500 of America's finest companies. |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Would the Obama Administration have done better if the Republican minority in Congress hadn't promised to oppose and obstruct President Obama's agenda, and then systematically followed through over the course of his administration? |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Lost on the last protector of the British raj is the fact that the severe recession--caused by Republican policies--has affected the entire world economy. The complaints in the British press, about Britain under conservative rule, posted here, are identical to those made by mrgybe.
It is not merely the evidence of similar circumstances in conservative-ruled countries he ignores--his comments about the stimulus are lies. The bloated local governments he is talking about cut their police departments and teaching personnel. Despite that, multiple credible sources have pointed to the benefits of the stimulus package--particularly in lowering the cost of energy. Pants on fire. |
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mrgybe
Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 5180
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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boggsman1 wrote: | Rarely does presidential policy have a huge impact on the 1100foot freighter better known as the US economy. |
mac wrote: | Lost on the last protector of the British raj is the fact that the severe recession--caused by Republican policies--has affected the entire world economy. |
Boggsy, The history major in Berkeley knows that government policy not only caused the last recession, but impacted the entire world economy. How could you be so wrong? |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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The Raj, mustache bristling, pretends not to understand the cause of the 2008 recession. By the numbers:
1. In 1999, Phil Gramm, Texas Senator responsible for the conference committee between the House and the Senate, wrote the bill that repealed the Glass Steagall Act.
2. Encouraged by his Secretary of Commerce, and with more than 2/3 of the Congress in the pocket of Wall Street, Bill Clinton signed the bill.
3. Junk loans proliferated--sub-prime mortgages went up by a factor of more than ten-fold. Banks were eager to make high risk loans once the protections of the Glass-Steagall-including conflict of interest provisions--were removed.
An immense housing bubble ensued, here and in other countries--especially Ireland and Spain--and it all came crashing down.
Here from a hedge fund guy named James Rickards, is a succinct explanation:
Quote: | In fact, the financial crisis might not have happened at all but for the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall law that separated commercial and investment banking for seven decades. If there is any hope of avoiding another meltdown, it's critical to understand why Glass-Steagall repeal helped to cause the crisis. Without a return to something like Glass-Steagall, another greater catastrophe is just a matter of time.
History is a good place to begin. |
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis
I agree, history is a good place to begin. Perhaps you should replace your scorn with an open mind and a little work at understanding. Perhaps you should also put your gin rickey down. |
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mrgybe
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Clinton was a Republican!!? Who knew? |
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wynsurfer
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 940
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Clinton was a DINO, gave big business just about everything they wanted.
Of course the Repubs blamed Clinton for the whole mess 8 years later when the $hit hit the fan. What a joke! |
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mrgybe
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:57 am Post subject: |
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It's inspirational to see the willingness of Democrats to take ownership of their actions or inaction. The current President is following that proud tradition. |
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isobars
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:17 am Post subject: |
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These guys don't realize you're being facetious. |
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