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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:07 am    Post subject: NET NEUTRALITY Reply with quote

http://louderwithcrowder.com/can-haz-interwebz-net-neutrality/

This explains it all.[/b]
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard, you were convinced by Crowder's street theater? Where's the pea?

The guy is fast talking hustler with a puffed up ego. No way is he on the level.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latest power grab is coming from power money, no big surprise there.
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Soros, Ford shovel $196 million to 'net neutrality' groups, staff to White House

By Paul Bedard | February 25, 2015 | 2:04 pm

Liberal philanthropist George Soros and the Ford Foundation have lavished groups supporting the administration’s “net neutrality” agenda, donating $196 million and landing proponents on the White House staff, according to a new report.

And now, as the Federal Communications Commission nears approving a type of government control over the Internet, the groups are poised to declare victory in the years-long fight, according to the report from MRC Business, an arm of the conservative media watchdog, the Media Research Center.

“The Ford Foundation, which claims to be the second-largest private foundation in the U.S., and Open Society Foundations, founded by far-left billionaire George Soros, have given more than $196 million to pro-net neutrality groups between 2000 and 2013,” said the report, authored by Media Research Center’s Joseph Rossell, and provided to Secrets.


“These left-wing groups not only impacted the public debate and funded top liberal think tanks from the Center for American Progress to Free Press. They also have direct ties to the White House and regulatory agencies. At least five individuals from these groups have ascended to key positions at the White House and FCC,” said the report which included funding details to pro-net neutrality advocates.

It quoted critic Phil Kerpen, president of American Commitment, saying, “The biggest money in this debate is from the liberal foundations that lavish millions on self-styled grassroots groups pushing for more and more regulation and federal control.”

Groups funded by Soros and Ford include the Center for American Progress, the American Civil Liberties Union, and Media Matters for America. They received a total of $54,226,097 from the Ford and Open Society Foundations.

Both Ford and Open Society support the initiative.

Some of those supported by the two groups’ funding have also worked the White House, notably John Podesta, former Center for American Progress head and now expected to run Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

MRC Business regularly follows the spending and activity of Soros, and even has an initiative to keep an eye on his advocacy called the Soros Project.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-shovel-196-million-to-net-neutrality-groups-staff-to-white-house/article/2560702
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW ..do you think Netflix should have to pay more to the ISP's to deliver its content to its customers?
Yes or No
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally absent in the Washington Examiner article is any detail of what the "left" is supporting and ultimately striving for in Net Neutrality. Yet, throw in mention of some big funders from the left, and you've automatically raised the ire and anxiety in some folks.

Come on guys, where's the beef?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chandler...Drudge has the lemmings in a tither... Some of the best arguments for net neutrality come from right winger entrepenuers, like TJ Rodgers of Cypress Semi, who says you will kill tech startups if you kill net neutrality.
ooh oh no George Soros, "control the net" oh nooo
The big ISPs have the Repubs in their pockets , no wonder Silicon Valley will never vote Republican.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
NW ..do you think Netflix should have to pay more to the ISP's to deliver its content to its customers?
Yes or No

Free market is what's it about, so that's Netflix's problem, do you believe in price fixing by the government?
Remember Carter's attempt at price fixing the cost of gas?
How about the licensing of websites, if that's in the mix?
That would require a review of content, a very slippery slope.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
NW ..do you think Netflix should have to pay more to the ISP's to deliver its content to its customers?
Yes or No

Free market is what's it about, so that's Netflix's problem, do you believe in price fixing by the government?
Remember Carter's attempt at price fixing the cost of gas?
How about the licensing of websites, if that's in the mix?
That would require a review of content, a very slippery slope.

The GOVt via tax receipts has 100's of billions invested in the internet. Spectrum is subsidized by the GOVT. If you allow ISPs to charge to block content, on subsidized highways , you will kill the #1 growth engine in the land. Comcast already buckled and did a deal w Netflix, so some extent the private market is already dealing with the issue.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you brainwash yourself, you have no idea what is happening. Wheeler used to work as a lobbyist for the industry, the other two Reps are flacks for industry. From Open Secrets:

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The two Republican members of the Federal Communications Commission who have asked for a delay in the agency’s vote tomorrow (Thursday) on net neutrality rules both have past connections to big money interests opposed to the rules. On the other hand, so does the FCC chairman, whose proposal is on the table.

At stake is the classification of broadband Internet. Chairman Tom Wheeler and the two other Democrats on the commission are pushing to label the Internet as a public utility under Title II of the Communications Act — and big cable companies are not keen on that idea. The proposed rules come after President Obama endorsed net neutrality plans in November, but the battle over the future of the Internet is not a new one.

Currently, details of the plan aren’t available to the public. Critics, including the Republican commissioners, take issue with the closed-door nature of the proceedings, since labeling the Internet as a utility like power would mean strict regulations on Internet “fast lanes” and usage (though the FCC is not expected to go so far as to regulate pricing).

“With the future of the entire Internet at stake, it is imperative that the FCC get this right,” the Republican pair, Ajit Pai and Mike O’Reilly, said in a joint statement. “And to do that, we must live up to the highest standards of transparency.”


Now I'm not sure that regulating the internet a public utility is the right move. I am sure that I don't trust Wheeler and the two Republicans. It's like letting Exxon write pollution rules. Oh dear, did the same President who appointed these guys let Exxon do that?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
The GOVt via tax receipts has 100's of billions invested in the internet.

That seems a stretch. Can you explain? In principle, this issue doesn't seem much different than an array of internet speeds offered to homeowners. If you want 150Mbps you have to pay more, if you can't afford that, you get less speed. Isn't that the way a free market society works?
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