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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Good questions SC, I think we wait until spring and try to find all the able bodied young men and give them a choice. Work or join the military. So many claim disabilities that don't even compare to some who work. It really comes down to morals. Do you think society owes you something, or do you owe society something.
I could personally make a list of 5 people I know who are gaming the system. OTOH my mother in law could qualify for S8 housing, but expects her children to take care of her. They consider it an honor to care for her.
We must demand an end to generous welfare for able bodied men and women. I don't say starve them, BUT TAKE AWAY THEIR ELECTRONICS!!! I think that alone would get all of them off their asses. No electronics for welfare recipients. Really, they'd go mad! Next I'd drug test them. Those 2 items might drive a good portion into work. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:13 am Post subject: |
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stevenbard wrote: | Next I'd drug test them. |
The research I've seen indicates that few welfare recipients use drugs.
I don't believe that research. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:32 am Post subject: |
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stevenbard wrote: | find all the able bodied young men and give them a choice. Work or join the military. So many claim disabilities ... |
But many on the left whine that most of our military do not deserve the disability or other benefits they earn by law and/or by paying for them with blood, hardship, family separation, death, service to their country, and/or cash. Even their present Commander In Chief publicly considered kicking them out of the military/VA health system as soon as their battlefield injuries were stabilized: "GFY (Go Fix Yourself.) I recommend Obamacare."
As for claiming disabilities ... they should be very carefully vetted, as the SS disability system was before Obama and the VA disability program still is (except in the many thousands of applications that were rejected by the truckload without review and under the table simply to reduce the backlog.) |
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techno900
Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4164
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:39 am Post subject: |
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swchandler said: Quote: | Regarding SS Disability payments, I have to say that I don't personally know of anybody receiving such payments. I wonder if anyone here knows someone personally that is receiving SS Disability payments. If by chance you do, do you think that they are actually warranted? |
Over 11 million are getting assistance via SS disability. With any government program of this size, folks will find a way to take advantage. How many of the 11 million are really unable to work? Who knows, but that's a lot of people sitting on the sideline. My guess is that we all know people that are on SS disability, we just don't know who they are. It's not something that they are likely to talk about, especially if they don't appear to be disabled.
Quote: | The 11,004,507 total disability beneficiaries in May included a record 8,947,220 disabled workers. It also included 153,554 spouses of disabled workers and 1,903,733 children of disabled workers |
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/11004507-disability-beneficiaries-top-11-million-first-time |
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pointster
Joined: 22 Jul 2010 Posts: 376
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Old folks complaining about the short attention span of young folks goes at least as far back as Socrates. If people didn't have electronic devices, most people would be reading comic books, gossip columns, romance novels, porn, etc., and very few reading physics and math texts.
I don't see that there is a trade off between entertainment and science education and basic research. We are a rich society that can afford both.
As to whether we are spending enough on education and basic research, it is hard to say. My personal view is that the most pressing need in our education system is to do a better job of teaching critical thinking and conflict resolution skills. |
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pueno
Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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techno900 wrote: |
Over 11 million are getting assistance via SS disability. |
Does that include Mikey?
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17750 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Finally, a thoughtful post on topic. Poinster--do you think that the higher education numbers have always been so small? And do you think the current entertainers on new media like Vine will be able to sustain a career, or are they going to be like one-hit wonders from the pop era? |
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pointster
Joined: 22 Jul 2010 Posts: 376
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I do know people who are on SSI, and they truly need the assistance. Are they able to do some kind of work? Sure, the problem is finding an employer who will hire them, and make the accommodations necessary for them to work.
I also know the guy who runs the Social Security program that tries to help people on SSI to get back in the workforce.
http://www.chooseworkttw.net
During periods of high unemployment, people with disabilities find it harder to retain and find jobs, so you would expect SSI applications to go up. Since it harder for them to find work, it is to be expected that it will take longer for them to return to the workforce.
There seems to be a notion that it is easy to get military or SSI disability payments. It is not ( just ask Mike). Almost all cases are denied upon application, and must go to appeal. Lots of paperwork and medical exams. Then periodic checks to maintain eligibility. Given the size of the benefit and the difficulty getting it, I think the amount of abuse of the system is not that large.
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Entertainment...you mean like endlessly posting political commentary on Iwindsurf? Excuse me, I have to play some Halo now. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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pointster wrote: | Given the size of the benefit and the difficulty getting it, I think the amount of abuse of the system is not that large. |
That changed by hundreds of percent since 2008. SSI used to be extremely hard to obtain; now many liberal judges and SS offices, encouraged by this administration, award it with NO PROOF. Yawannit, yaaskforit, yagotit, in many jurisdictions, according to widespread media reports, by name and jurisdiction, several years ago. |
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