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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-campaigns-poll-watching-plans-spark-fears-of-voter-suppression/ar-BB17ZTEe?ocid=msedgntp


Donald Trump campaign's poll-watching plans spark fears of voter suppression


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The party's aggressive plans for poll-monitoring have sparked charges from Democrats and voting-rights groups that Republicans are gearing up to suppress voting in key states as President Donald Trump repeatedly claims, without evidence, that voter fraud will imperil November's election.


Republicans say their new push will allow them to protect election integrity and better coordinate their get-out-vote operations. Both sides are headed for a legal showdown on the issue in Pennsylvania -- a state Trump won in 2016 by about 44,000 votes out of 6 million cast.

The Trump campaign is fighting a Pennsylvania law that restricts poll watchers to monitoring voting in the county in which they live -- one of dozens of lawsuits filed by Republicans and Democrats that challenge the ground rules of a fast-approaching election that state and local officials are racing to carry out in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.

"By and large, having these mobilized security forces out at the polls is just a powder keg," Wendy Weiser, of the liberal-leaning Brennan Center for Justice, said of the Republican poll observers. "There is just a very high risk in a hotly contested and emotionally heated environment of people crossing the line."

In a statement to CNN, Trump campaign general counsel Matthew Morgan, said, "Republicans will be ready to make sure the polls are being run correctly, securely, and transparently as we work to deliver the free and fair election Americans deserve."

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The massive build-up to monitor voting marks the first time since the 1980 election that the Republican presidential nominee and the Republican National Committee will work together to monitor polling activity. In 2018, a federal judge allowed a consent decree to expire that for decades had sharply restricted the RNC's "ballot security" activities without prior judicial approval.

The 1982 decree stemmed from a Democratic National Committee lawsuit that accused the RNC of trying to suppress votes in New Jersey by posting armed, off-duty police officers at the polls in minority neighborhoods and erecting posters that warned of penalties for violating election laws.

Before the consent decree lifted, "we were really operating with one hand tied behind our back," Justin Clark, a top Trump campaign official, told an audience earlier this year at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

"In 2020, we have a brand-new opportunity to activate an Election Day operations program that's really robust," said Clark, who was elevated last month to serve as Trump's deputy campaign manager.

During the CPAC session, Clark said the campaign was working to recruit 50,000 volunteer poll watchers. "We are going to have scale this year," he said. "We're going to be out there, protecting our vote and our voters."

Officials with the Trump campaign did not respond to inquiries this week about how many monitors it has added so far.

Common practice
Poll watching is a long-standing practice, and both parties do it.

Observers monitor how ballots are cast, the testing of equipment and counting procedures -- looking for irregularities. They also challenge the eligibility of individual voters. And the widespread use of mail-in voting necessitated by the pandemic likely will expand poll watching as observers seek to monitor how election officials handle and count ballots that arrive by mail.

Trump has railed about voter fraud for years. But election experts say in-person fraud is virtually non-existent. (One researcher who examined more than 1 billion ballots cast in general, primary, special and municipal elections over a 14-year period found a miniscule 31 instances of potential voter impersonation.)

Richard Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California, Irvine's law school, said the real issue in 2020 is not fraud but the risk that legions of eligible voters could be disenfranchised -- as tens of millions navigate voting by mail for the first time.

"They could potentially make technical mistakes that will have their ballots tossed," he said.

Broad effort
Both parties are gearing up for real-time clashes on Election Day and beyond.

Last month, Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden told supporters that his team planned to deploy 600 lawyers and 10,000 volunteers to combat what he called election "chicanery."

The Republican National Committee, meanwhile, has doubled its legal budget to $20 million this year, as part of a sweeping effort to challenge voting laws and policies they view as damaging to Trump's reelection prospects.

Outside groups also will monitor polling places on Election Day.

Fair Fight, a voting-rights group started by former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, has teamed up with 18 state Democratic parties to help fund and train poll watchers and establish hotlines for voters to report problems, spokesman Seth Bringman said.

Officials with True the Vote, a Tea Party offshoot that has faced questions about its past efforts to police voting, say they now are recruiting military veterans to serve as poll watchers through a program called "Continue to Serve."

GOP officials describe a wide array of activities they will undertake as part of their newly invigorated Election Day operations -- ranging from challenging voters whose eligibility is suspect to helping turn out the vote through a practice known as "poll flushing."

Under that process, volunteers monitor which potential supporters haven't yet voted at their polling place and alert campaign volunteers to mount a last-minute push to get those voters to cast their ballots before polls close.

In tight races, those frenetic, 11th-hour, get-out-the-vote efforts could determine which candidate wins.

In Wisconsin, where Trump beat Democrat Hillary Clinton by fewer than 23,000 votes in 2016 to capture the state's 10 electoral votes, the state Republican Party has a long-established poll-monitoring operation, state party chairman Andrew Hitt told CNN.

"This year," he said, "we have the benefit of extra resources and extra manpower coming from the RNC and the (Trump) campaign."

In Pennsylvania, another key battleground on the road to the White House, Republicans want to overturn the residency requirements for poll monitors, as part of a broad lawsuit that challenges the state's voting procedures.

GOP officials say the residency rule hampers their ability to bring in volunteers from other parts of the state to monitor voting in Democratic strongholds, such as Philadelphia. As part of the lawsuit, Republicans also want poll watchers to have access to locations where absentee ballots are returned.

The President himself has singled out Philadelphia for allegations of voter fraud.

During the 2016 campaign, for instance, then-candidate Trump said he heard "horror shows" about voting in the city and urged his supporters in the state to "watch other communities because we don't want this election stolen from us."

No matter the ultimate size of the GOP's official poll-watching force, Hasen, the University of California election expert, said he's worried about where the President's rhetoric might lead.

"I'm concerned about rogue Trump supporters who might take matters into their own hands and go to polling places with Trump's claims of fraud and voting problems," he said.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-checking-president-trump-zero-evidence-that-election-is-being-rigged/vi-BB18k6Wa?ocid=msnews


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Fact checking President Trump: 'Zero evidence that election is being rigged'

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/sanders-trump-refuses-leave-office-409242




Sanders: America must be prepared for when Trump refuses to leave office


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Bernie Sanders fears President Donald Trump will refuse to leave office if he loses reelection and is calling on Congress and the media to take action to prepare for that scenario now, he said in an interview with POLITICO.

“This is not just idle speculation,” said Sanders, pointing to comments the president made at the GOP convention. “Trump was saying that the only way he could lose the election is if there was — let me get the exact quote — ‘the only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election.’ Now he is making that statement at a time when virtually every national poll has him behind.”

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because they can't win any other way.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/07/who-gets-to-vote-in-florida

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In 2012, James Greer, a former chairman of the state Republican Party, told a Florida newspaper, “The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants—they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates. It’s done for one reason and one reason only . . . because early voting is not good for us.” Greer added that his fellow-Republicans hadn’t discussed voter fraud. “They never came in to see me and tell me we had a fraud issue,” he said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.” (Greer later pleaded guilty to funnelling two hundred thousand dollars from the Party into a shell company called Victory Strategies.)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-vote-by-mail-absentee-ballot-election-fraud-ben-ginsberg-1056913/


The Most Republican of Republican Lawyers Just Called Out Trump’s Lies on Voter Fraud


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A former journalist turned election lawyer, Ginsberg spent the past four decades in the trenches of Republican politics and campaigns. He represented the Republican National Committee. He was George W. Bush’s lawyer during the 2000 recount battle, once appearing on all five Sunday talk shows on the same day. (Swamp creatures call this “the full Ginsberg.”) He worked for Bush again in 2004 and Mitt Romney in 2012, and Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign hired Jones Day, the firm where Ginsberg worked until he retired from practicing law last month.

In other words, Ginsberg’s Republican credentials are beyond reproach. So is his expertise in election law, having lived through every battle in that realm going back to Reagan’s day.

Which makes it all the more resounding that Ginsberg has now taken to the pages of the Washington Post to condemn President Trump for his lies and dangerous rhetoric about voting by mail and the illusory threat of voter fraud.


In an op-ed published Tuesday evening, Ginsberg took aim at Trump’s recent suggestion that his supporters in North Carolina vote twice — once in person, once by mail — to “test the system.” The president was, put simply, encouraging his followers to commit a crime by engaging in voter fraud — the very scourge that Trump himself has railed against over and over since his 2016 presidential campaign. Ginsberg writes that Trump was “doubly wrong” with his vote-twice suggestion, but took Trump’s latest anti-democratic outburst as an opportunity to pick apart the GOP’s assault on the voting process in 2020.

Ginsberg dismantles the long-espoused Republican talking point that voter fraud is rampant and so restrictive policies around voter ID and now voting by mail are needed. He notes that neither the Trump campaign of 2016 nor a subsequent presidential commission stocked with vocal proponents of the supposed plague of voter fraud could find no evidence that widespread voter fraud actually exists.

“The truth is that after decades of looking for illegal voting, there’s no proof of widespread fraud,” Ginsberg writes. “At most, there are isolated incidents — by both Democrats and Republicans. Elections are not rigged. Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots — different states use different labels for the same process.”

Trump’s unhinged tweets and statements about supposed voter fraud, Ginsberg continues, “has put my party in the position of a firefighter who deliberately sets fires to look like a hero putting them out. Republicans need to take a hard look before advocating laws that actually do limit the franchise of otherwise qualified voters. Calling elections ‘fraudulent’ and results ‘rigged’ with almost nonexistent evidence is antithetical to being the ‘rule of law’ party.”

Attacking the integrity of our elections and limiting access to the ballot box aren’t merely a feature of the Trump-led Republican Party’s strategy this year; they’re the centerpiece. Trump has spewed nonsense on Twitter about voting by mail for most of the year, and his loyal party foot soldiers have embarked on a $20 million litigation onslaught in battleground states from Florida to Pennsylvania to Michigan to block Democratic efforts to make it easier to vote by mail.

But these Republican legal challenges continue to be knocked down in court or exposed for the flimsiness of their arguments. In Pennsylvania, for instance, the Trump campaign filed a lawsuit intended to block the use of dropboxes in which voters can submit their mail-in ballots and to loosen the rules about election-day poll watchers who can challenge voter eligibility. But when asked to provide evidence supporting its claim that there was rampant fraud in Pennsylvania’s elections, lawyers for Trump’s campaign and the Republican Party could not come up with a single instance of mail-in voter fraud, according to documents obtained by the Intercept. And one of the few instances of possible voter fraud cited by the Trump campaign was a Republican candidate for the state legislature, according to the Pennsylvania Capital-Star.

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Again, what makes these statements so damning is not the substance of them but the person doing the speaker. A basic review of the data shows that rampant voter fraud is a pernicious myth used to justify voter suppression that far too often disadvantages young voters and voters of color. But to hear this condemnation come from within the Republican Party, it serves to reaffirm the truth about the fight over voting rights while also revealing the degree to which the few responsible adults left in the GOP fear the long-term effects of Trump’s words and actions on the bedrock of any democracy, the public’s belief in free and fair elections.

Ginsberg ends his op-ed with a plea. “Republicans need to rethink their arguments in many of the cases in which they are involved — quickly,” he writes. “Otherwise, they risk harming the fundamental principle of our democracy: that all eligible voters must be allowed to cast their ballots. If that happens, Americans will deservedly render the GOP a minority party for a long, long time.” That is, of course, if they can overcome the many hurdles thrown up by the Republican Party and cast their ballot in the first place.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the right wing has so much money they fund green party....

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/court-foils-republican-green-party-scam-to-sap-democratic-votes-91759685567?cid=referral_taboolafeed



Court foils Republican Green Party scam to sap Democratic votes


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Rachel Maddow reports on the failure of Republican effort to put a Green Party candidate on the ballot in Wisconsin in the hopes of drawing away Democratic votes the way Jill Stein did in the 2016 election, handing a victory in the state to Donald Trump.
Sept. 14, 2020

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

since the president of the united states (though illegitimate) can not agree the election is fair and not rigged and he has had nearly 4 years to secure it. Since he will not accept it time to not have the election and have the constitutional way and Pelosi is the president come january till we can have a secure election.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

even have to cheat in Texas now....

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/10/922541198/judge-rules-against-texas-limit-of-one-drop-off-site-per-county-for-absentee-bal?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2LP0c04gMA-MKvDRfsNheKIYbzOMbAGckayGSdKf2kPMTvDjC-xOPkmhA


Judge Rules Against Texas Limit Of One Drop-Off Site Per County For Absentee Ballots


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A federal judge has blocked a Texas plan to limit voters to one location per county for dropping off absentee ballots in the upcoming election. The decision says the restriction places an undue burden on older and disabled citizens.

The limit was imposed last week as Texas experienced a surge in requests for absentee ballots, even though most Texans aren't eligible to vote that way.

Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, said he was helping to protect election security by allowing only one drop-off site per county. Democrats accused Abbott of trying to suppress the vote.

Judge Robert Pitman's ruling sides with The Texas League of United Latin American Citizens, which sued to get the drop-off limit reversed.

The lawsuit said the governor was forcing absentee voters to travel farther and to more-crowded locations, increasing the risk to populations already especially vulnerable to the coronavirus. The suit also said the Postal Service has warned it might not be able to deliver ballots in time to be counted.

The state may appeal the ruling.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so by allowing trumps post master to destroy auto sorting machines to prevent timely delivery of the mail there partisan right ing judges stop peoples votes from being counted. Even during a pandemic. May they rot in hell where they belong or move to Putin land like trump has hinted he is moving out of the usa.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-reversal-michigan-appeals-court-says-late-arriving-absentee-ballots-should-not-be-counted/ar-BB1a889r?ocid=msnews


In reversal, Michigan appeals court says late-arriving absentee ballots should not be counted


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Judge Thomas Cameron wrote the majority opinion, joined by Judges Mark Boonstra and Michael Gadola. All three were Republican appointees to the court. Boonstra wrote a separate concurring opinion to blast Stephens for "judicial overreach."

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump has consistently promoted both paranoia and violence by his supporters. Fascist tendencies is the nicest way to put that.


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Oct. 21, 2020 at 8:58 a.m. PDT
During a pro-Trump rally earlier this month in Nevada City, Calif., enthusiastic supporters in cars and trucks crowded into the parking lot of the county government center.

As many as 300 people played music, cheered and called out through a megaphone, according to Natalie Adona, a county election official who could see the gathering from her second-floor office at the Eric Rood Administration Center.

But unlike usual Trump rallies, this one was happening at the site of one of the most popular drive-up ballot boxes in the county. And early voting was already underway.

That afternoon, voters were forced to navigate through the pro-Trump crowd, and some felt the electioneering amounted to voter intimidation.

In an election year clouded with anxieties about voter intimidation and the possibility of election-related violence, the first days of early voting have unfolded with dozens of accusations of inappropriate campaigning and possible voter intimidation in at least 14 states. The reports, though anecdotal, illustrate the tensions unfolding as more than 33 million Americans have already cast ballots two weeks before Election Day.
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