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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya think?
https://news.yahoo.com/why-so-many-americans-dont-vote-141725897.html

Why so many Americans don’t vote

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koch brothers olin foundation and the efforts to stop voters from voting, stacking courts with idiots, gerrymandering...

long but good read

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/meet-the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america?fbclid=IwAR2ATc8Xbb0F3kgaEjiZ28JOg7ixdbg5jHRUMigABv5fUeEqPt1OoEvO0CU


Meet the Economist Behind the One Percent’s Stealth Takeover of America


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To put the success into perspective, MacLean points to the fact that Henry Manne, whom Buchanan was instrumental in hiring, created legal programs for law professors and federal judges which could boast that by 1990 two of every five sitting federal judges had participated. “40 percent of the U.S. federal judiciary,” writes MacLean, “had been treated to a Koch-backed curriculum.”


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MacLean details how partnered with Koch, Buchanan’s outpost at George Mason University was able to connect libertarian economists with right-wing political actors and supporters of corporations like Shell Oil, Exxon, Ford, IBM, Chase Manhattan Bank, and General Motors. Together they could push economic ideas to the public through media, promote new curricula for economics education, and court politicians in nearby Washington, D.C.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

needless to say florida will not charge trump for his vote fraud. They charged a dem for the exact thing he did and she paid a penalty of $5k

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/records-suggest-trump-error-may-have-constituted-accidental-fraud-n1223856?cid=eml_mra_20200604




Records suggest Trump error may have constituted accidental fraud
Donald Trump tried to register to vote in Florida while using an out-of-state address -- which he cannot legally do.


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June 3, 2020, 1:22 PM MDT
By Steve Benen
In September 2019, Donald Trump announced that he was done with New York. The president would, going forward, be an official Florida resident. He even voted in March using his new address in Palm Beach.

But when he filed the paperwork on his voter registration, there was a problem: Trump listed the White House as his "legal residence," while simultaneously signing a document that said he was also a "bona fide resident" of Palm Beach.

Or put another way, the president tried to register to vote in Florida while using an out-of-state address -- which he cannot legally do. The Washington Post reported on this today, noting that state officials flagged the discrepancy and allowed Trump to redo the paperwork.

And while bureaucratic slip-ups generally aren't worth making a fuss about, people have faced legal consequences for doing what the president apparently did.

Last year, the city manager of Deltona, Fl., entered into an agreement with the local state's attorney's office to pay more than $5,000 in fees and reimbursements for the state's investigation to avoid being prosecuted on criminal charges in a voter-registration case. She had registered to vote using the address of Deltona's City Hall, rather than her home address, and had cast ballots in elections using that registration. In Palm Beach, where Trump has registered to vote, there was a high-profile arrest in 1993 of a popular restaurateur who was charged with voter fraud and briefly jailed because he registered to vote in Palm Beach but lived in the neighboring city of West Palm Beach.

To be sure, it's easy to see how the president could've made this mistake, which is rather trivial when compared to some of his more outrageous offenses. He does, after all, live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue -- at least for now.

But let's not brush past the revelations too quickly. For one thing, when the same politician who obsesses over voter fraud, as if it were an actual societal scourge, makes this sort of mistake, it should prompt Trump and other Republicans to reflect a bit about non-presidents who make similar errors and face real punishments.

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For another, Trump told governors this week, "I live in Manhattan." It raised the prospect of the president living in New York, temporarily residing in D.C., and registering to vote in Florida. It led election lawyer Marc Elias to note soon after, "Sounds like New York may have a good claim for taxes. And Florida for voter fraud."

And in case that weren't quite enough, the Washington Post reported last month that Trump "agreed in writing years ago" that his Mar-a-Lago property would be "a private club owned by a corporation he controls," not a residence. He nevertheless is using the club as his residential address in legal documents.

Maybe he should've stuck with Trump Tower.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

right wing hate americans right to vote their way or highway
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/revealed-states-restrictive-voter-id-laws-have-cost-taxpayers-36m/ar-BB1737NW?ocid=msedgntp


Revealed: states' restrictive voter ID laws have cost taxpayers $36m


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Restrictive ‘voter identification’ laws pushed by Republicans, and widely regarded to be ineffective and discriminatory, have cost taxpayers at least $36m in just a few states, the Guardian can reveal.

a close up of a hand: Photograph: Marco Bello/Reuters© Provided by The Guardian Photograph: Marco Bello/Reuters
It’s well documented that restrictive voter ID laws are ineffective and discriminatory. The type of voter fraud they claim to prevent is a myth, and the burden of showing an ID disproportionately lands on students, low-income voters, and African Americans.


However, these laws are also extraordinarily expensive to implement and defend. Based on information obtained through open records requests, the Guardian has found that the partial costs of litigation, free identification cards, public education and other fees amount to tens of millions across the country.

However, even with many states having to slash their budgets due to the economic crisis, one state, Kentucky, has decided to spend millions implementing a new ID law.

While the rest of the state was under “stay-at-home” advisories because of coronavirus, the Kentucky legislature convened in early March and April in order to pass its voter ID bill and then again to override the governor’s veto. When SB2 went into effect on 15 July, Kentucky became the 19th state, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, that requires voters to present a photo ID at the polls, and voters who apply for absentee ballots must include a copy of their ID.

But passing this bill required some expensive tweaks – most significantly, the state would have to offer IDs for free to all residents or the law would likely be be ruled unconstitutional, says Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan think tank and public interest law center. According to the bill’s fiscal note statement, just that provision of the law could cost up to $3.6m a year. Senator Robert Mills, the bill’s primary sponsor, didn’t respond to a request for comments about whether SB2 was an appropriate use of taxpayers’ money, nor did 11 of the co-sponsors.

a close up of a hand: A voter hands his ID to a poll worker before casting his ballot at a polling center in Miami.© Photograph: Marco Bello/Reuters A voter hands his ID to a poll worker before casting his ballot at a polling center in Miami.
When Georgia passed its original voter ID bill in 2006, it offered free IDs only to those who swore they could afford them. According to a report from the Brennan Center, a federal court later blocked that aspect because “many voters for whom a fee would pose a burden might be reluctant to take the oath out of embarrassment or because they do not believe they are indigent”. In fact, the Missouri supreme court found that the state must pay even for the documents required to get the ID, such as a birth certificate.

Often these lengthy lawsuits exacerbate another set of costs for states: educating the public every time there’s a change

Since 1 January 2006, Indiana, which also has a photo ID law, has spent nearly $30.5m to issue roughly 2.7m of these free IDs.

Meanwhile, in Texas, the process of implementing a strict voter ID law dragged on for almost seven years, during which the state spent at least $3.5m on attorney’s fees, outside counsel, travel expenses, and expert witnesses. In addition, the litigation was so time-consuming that the attorney general had to pull in lawyers from other departments. In total, the state invested more than 12,400 hours in these cases.

Ultimately, Texas’ ID law survived these challenges – but at a high price. In May, a federal judge ordered the state to pay the plaintiffs’ $6.8m in legal fees (the state says it will appeal the ruling).

Often these lengthy lawsuits exacerbate another set of costs for states: educating the public every time there’s a change.

After Georgia passed its ID law, it ran public service announcements on unpopular radio stations during off-peak hours and planned to distribute a letter that, according to the courts, was “not reasonably calculated to reach the voters who are most likely to lack a photo ID”. However, that court went on to add that “if the state undertakes sufficient steps to inform voters of the [law’s] requirements before future elections, the statute might well survive a challenge”.

During the first three years of its ID laws, Kansas spent at least $430,000 on its public outreach, while Wisconsin spent $631,899 in its first year alone. Even with heavily discounted rates from TV and radio stations, the critical swing state has spent nearly $1.2m on its “Bring It to the Ballot” campaign, which includes radio spots, brochures, and TV ads.

Yet the $36m price tag may only be the tip of the iceberg. The Departments of Justice in several states claim that their lawyers don’t track their time, making it impossible to document the bulk of the costs of defending these ID laws. “We want to get you what you need,” said Gillian Drummond, Communications Director for the Wisconsin DOJ when asked for a breakdown of the agency’s litigation expenses, “but I can’t create something that wasn’t tracked previously.”

Despite the recent passage of SB2 in Kentucky, the legal tide may be turning. When these voter ID laws first were ratified, “the understanding of voter fraud was very ill-formed”, says Weiser. “The supreme court’s decision to uphold the [Indiana] law was based on conjecture and was highly deferential to states.”

Since then, empirical research has shown how discriminatory these laws are in practice, which has helped persuade at least one justice that they aren’t constitutional. Richard Posner, a Reagan appointee, wrote the original decision upholding Indiana’s ID law. However, in 2014, he voted to suspend Wisconsin’s law, writing that legislation like it was “a mere fig leaf for efforts to disenfranchise voters likely to vote for the political party that does not control the state government”.

As expected, Kentucky’s SB2 was challenged almost immediately in state and federal court. Says one of the lawsuits, “Put simply, a pandemic is no time to impose a new requirement for identification that forces voters to enter government offices, have in-person interactions with election officials, and/or enter other public spaces to obtain a copy of their ID.”

The case could reach the supreme court, which has recently been voting to uphold voter restrictions in Florida, Wisconsin and Alabama. Experts say it’s likely the law will be ruled constitutional, but either way, taxpayers will foot a sizeable bill.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republicans-flat-reject-trumps-suggestion-163120595.html


Republicans flat-out reject Trump's suggestion to delay election


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President Donald Trump on Thursday faced resounding, near-universal opposition from Republicans to his suggestion that the November election should be delayed due to unsubstantiated claims of mail-in voter fraud.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as we know the stolen supreme court seat is halping the right wing in keeping americans from voting.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-appointed-judges-may-back-trump-in-2020-disputes-expert-says/vi-BB17sfrH?ocid=msedgntp



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GOP-appointed judges may back Trump in 2020 disputes expert say


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Trump 2020 result disputes may be supported by courts expert says.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-assails-trump-s-bald-faced-lies-about-voting-by-mail/ar-BB17wFs9?ocid=msedgntp


Biden assails Trump's 'bald-faced lies' about voting by mail


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(Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden said on Monday that President Donald Trump was telling "bald-faced lies" about voting by mail to distract from his own failures, after Trump last week suggested it could be cause to delay the election.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this should get interesting. He should have not given them that much time. Either they have facts and real research or they are bearing false witness and should be jailed for fraud. note this is a judge appointed by Trump.

Notice no right winger here can show any substancial evidence and never in the history of the USA has a right winger been able to back up claims of massive vote fraud that I have ever read. If you hate democracy... Put up or move to russia where you love the election control by the KGB that you love so much.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/08/13/judge-orders-trump-campaign-to-produce-evidence-of-voter-fraud/

The judge's order forces the Trump campaign to try to back up President Donald Trump's false claims about massive voter fraud in postal voting.


Judge Orders Trump Campaign To Produce Evidence Of Voter Fraud In Pennsylvania


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(CNN/KDKA) — A federal judge in Pennsylvania told the Trump campaign and the Republican Party that they must produce evidence they have of vote-by-mail fraud in the state by Friday.

The judge’s order, in a high-profile case about vote-by-mail in the battleground state, essentially forces the Trump campaign to try to back up President Donald Trump’s false claims about massive voter fraud in postal voting. The federal lawsuit filed in Pittsburgh claims that as voters jumped to make use of the greatly broadened eligibility for mail-in ballots during the June 2 primary, practices and procedures by elections officials ran afoul of state law and the state and federal constitutions.

“The Court finds that instances of voter fraud are relevant to the claims and defenses in this case,” District Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan wrote on Thursday, telling Republicans that they need to provide evidence of fraud to the Democratic Party and the Sierra Club, which are part of the lawsuit.


The Democrats had asked for information and documents that would show steps the Republicans took to study the possibility of fraud, especially related to the use of dropboxes, ballot collection and mailed-in ballots in the primary elections.

The Trump campaign and Republicans had refused to do so. But with Thursday’s court order, they must answer questions from the Democratic groups and turn over records of communications — or say they have none. The Trump campaign has until Friday to respond, the judge said.

Pennsylvania Democrats wrote to the court Wednesday. The Democrats have called the Trump lawsuit an attempt to stoke fears about unproven fraud related to mail-in voting in the battleground state.

The Trump campaign “should not be permitted to raise such spectacular fraud related claims, particular in this national climate,” lawyers representing the Democrats wrote.

The Democrats have called the Trump lawsuit an attempt to stoke fears about unproven fraud related to mail-in voting in the battleground state. Trump has repeatedly claimed there is massive voter fraud — something that CNN’s fact-checking team has repeatedly debunked. Legal scholars from both parties, and nonpartisan experts, acknowledge that there is no widespread fraud in US elections.

The case is one of the boldest attempts by the Trump campaign in court to curtail mail-in voting in the 2020 election. The Trump campaign had claimed mail-in voting could prompt questions about the accuracy of election results “and ultimately chaos,” according to the court record.

Ranjan, the judge overseeing the suit, was appointed by Trump.

A hearing about the evidence is set for late September.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/criminal-referral-in-nj-seeks-grand-jury-investigation-of-trumps-arson-of-us-postal-service/ar-BB17ZVhk?ocid=msedgntp


Criminal Referral in NJ Seeks Grand Jury Investigation of Trump’s ‘Arson’ of U.S. Postal Service


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Rep. Bill Pascrell, Jr. (D-N.J.) on Friday asked his state’s attorney general to empanel a grand jury to investigate President Donald Trump and several top executives at the U.S. Postal Service (USPS). Pascrell claimed the Administration’s efforts to dismantle the federal agency constitutes election interference in violation of state law.

Donald Trump wearing a suit and tie: US President Donald Trump speaks to the press in the Brady Briefing Room of the White House in Washington, DC, on August 14, 2020.© Provided by Law & Crime US President Donald Trump speaks to the press in the Brady Briefing Room of the White House in Washington, DC, on August 14, 2020.
“Tonight I’ve made a criminal referral to the New Jersey Attorney General asking him to empanel a grand jury to look at subversion of NJ election laws by Donald Trump, Louis DeJoy, and other Trump officials in their accelerating arson of the post office,” Pascrell tweeted along with photos of the complaint.


In a letter to A.G. Gurbir S. Grewal, Pascrell said the Trump administration is looking to subvert all the work the attorney general’s office has done to prepare for the November election.

“I call upon you to open a wide-ranging investigation of Trump’s actions to interfere in our elections and to empanel a grand jury for the purpose of considering criminal indictments for Donald Trump, U.S. Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, members of the United States Postal Service (USPS) Board of Governors, and any other officials in the Trump government that are participating in or have participated in the subversion of New Jersey state elections,” Pascrell wrote.

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