Voter "Fraud" or voter disenfranchisement?

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

NW30, sounds to me like you're indirectly making a case for no absentee ballots. Pretty hard for dead folks to show up and vote at the polls. Moreover, for those folks still alive, they have to show up at the polls and show their photo ID to vote so that there is virtually no chance for voter fraud. If absentee ballots are legally allowed, the person would need to show the county clerk their photo ID to pick up a ballot at the county office during business hours. For those physically unable to pick up their absentee ballot, a court approved guardian could pick up it up by showing their ID and legal paperwork along with the photo ID of the voter. These requirements would apply for each election, with no exceptions.

Pretty simple, right?

nw30 · Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 5:31 pm Post subject:

Maybe for you, that's just one element, but it's more complicated than just that.
From the article, just in case you missed it.

"It remains unclear how the dead voters voted but 86 were registered Republicans, 146 were Democrats, including Cenkner."
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"As Goldstein reports, it was all supposed to change after the hanging chads incident in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. Congress passed the Help America Vote Act in 2002, which mandated sweeping reforms, including a statewide voter registration system that would eliminate ineligible voters.

But California is the only state that’s still not compliant with the act. Secretary of State Alex Padilla hopes to have it compliant later this year."

“You’re not supposed to have dead people on the rolls,” said J. Christian Adams, who is with the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

“The problem is California has been the most derelict state in the country in implementing statewide databases that are required under federal law. They just blew it off for over a decade,” said Adams.
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I'm all in favor of whatever it takes to stop the fraud, and that includes on line voting, as well as mail in ballots. I'm not saying those should be eliminated, but they sure's as hell better get a better way to verify those votes, like including your new voter ID # on those ballots, a number which can only be used once.
The technology exists, but the liberals are afraid of it.
Maybe we should have unisex voting booths so that nobody will feel disenfranchised, for any reason, and no ID required, would that make everybody happy?
I doubt it.

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14890 Location: on earth

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14890 Location: on earth

for taking someones legitimate vote should the persons responsible have to go to jail when it was known there was no in person vote fraud. In this country you are supposed to be innocent till proven guilty...

so when it is one person denied a year, when 10 5 years, when 10,000 per election should the party responsible be disbanded under the rico act??

Again the media does not point out this in the front pages...

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/5/1545180/-Abbreviated-pundit-roundup-Voter-suppression-previewing-the-Republican-convention-and-more

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

baja posted:

real-human · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14890 Location: on earth

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

baja said:

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Regarding proof of citizenship, I'm of the opinion that when someone registers to vote that reasonable evidence could be provided at that time. Moreover, I think that it should be the federal government that establishes the registration requirements so that they are uniform across the nation. Once registered, no further proof of citizenship or ID requirements should be imposed. Of course, when someone actually votes, their signature should be required.

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

sw said:

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

"However, if someone shows up without their voters registration card (for a federal election), they would have to have a photo I.D. to confirm who they are. Also, if comparing signatures between the card and voting form, any discrepancy (confirmed by the precinct Chairman) would require a photo I.D. to confirm who the voter really is."

In California, we aren't issued a voter registration card. However, I do receive a sample ballot in the mail that has my name and address printed on it, to include my district voting location. I always bring my sample ballot when voting, and I show it to the volunteer voting staff workers to make the process easy for them.

I do not believe that an ID should be required when voting. That's what registration is all about. Like I pointed out in the past, no one has ever pretended to be me when voting during an election.