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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we need a special prosecutor to investigate this, stopping americans from voting is the job of Putin....


Caught on tape: Trump adviser admits voter suppression

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if ess who makes more machines than anyone has nothing to hide why wiull they not disclose the investors... gee that is clear. Its roots were by partisan right wingers.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/chinese-parts-hidden-ownership-growing-scrutiny-inside-america-s-biggest-n1104516




hinese parts, hidden ownership, growing scrutiny: Inside America's biggest maker of voting machines
Scrutiny of the U.S. election system, spurred by Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, has put Election Systems & Software in the political spotlight.


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Dec. 19, 2019, 4:30 AM MST
By Ben Popken, Cynthia McFadden and Kevin Monahan
OMAHA, Neb. — Just off a bustling interstate near the border between Nebraska and Iowa, a 2,800-square-foot American flag flies over the squat office park that is home to Election Systems & Software LLC.

The nondescript name and building match the relative anonymity of the company, more commonly known as ES&S, which has operated in obscurity for years despite its central role in U.S. elections. Nearly half of all Americans who vote in the 2020 election will use one of its devices.

That’s starting to change. A new level of scrutiny of the election system, spurred by Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, has put ES&S in the political spotlight. The source of the nation’s voting machines has become an urgent issue because of real fears that hackers, whether foreign or domestic, might tamper with the mechanics of the voting system.

That has led to calls for ES&S and its competitors, Denver-based Dominion Voting Systems and Austin, Texas-based Hart Intercivic, to reveal details about their ownership and the origins of the parts, some of which come from China, that make up their machines.

But ES&S still faces questions about the company’s supply chain and the identities of its investors, although it has said it is entirely owned by Americans. And the results of its government penetration tests, in which authorized hackers try to break in so vulnerabilities can be identified and fixed, have yet to be revealed.


https://cheddar.com/media/security-concerns-rise-over-foreign-made-voting-machine-parts


Security Concerns Rise Over Foreign-Made Voting-Machine Parts


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December 17, 2019
Voting-machine vendors could be at risk of using components made from suppliers with ties to China and Russia. Jennifer Bisceglie, CEO of Interos, joined Cheddar to talk about the company's recent report that dives deeper into the security concern.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-cybersecurity-202/2019/12/13/the-cybersecurity-202-lawsuit-seeks-to-force-pennsylvania-to-scrap-these-electronic-voting-machines-over-hacking-fears/5df27a70602ff125ce5b2fec/



The Cybersecurity 202: Lawsuit seeks to force Pennsylvania to scrap these electronic voting machines over hacking fears


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Election security advocacy groups are suing the state of Pennsylvania today to stop some counties from using controversial voting machines they say are vulnerable to hacking by Russia and other adversaries in 2020.

The suit, shared exclusively with The Cybersecurity 202, comes just weeks after these particular machines had technical issues and went haywire and called the wrong winner in a county judge's race in November. The groups say hackers could do far worse to these electronic machines if they tried.

Concerns about hacking are supersized in Pennsylvania — a battleground state that could be vital to determining the next president. The ExpressVote XL machines, designed by Election Systems & Software, are being used in three counties that account for about 17 percent of the state’s registered voters, including Philadelphia County, the largest in the state. That's more than enough to tip a close election.
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the new Pennsylvania lawsuit details numerous ways hackers from Russia or elsewhere could compromise the machines to change an election outcome or sow widespread mistrust among voters. They could break into an easily accessible administrator panel and reprogram the machines, for example, or they could trick the ballot printer to alter votes after the voter has reviewed them. The machines are also too prone to malfunctioning and make it too hard to verify that votes are being recorded accurately, the plaintiffs say.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vulnerabilities-of-our-voting-machines/




The Vulnerabilities of Our Voting Machines
When Americans go to the polls, will hackers unleash chaos?


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A few weeks ago computer scientist J. Alex Halderman rolled an electronic voting machine onto a Massachusetts Institute of Technology stage and demonstrated how simple it is to hack an election.

In a mock contest between George Washington and Benedict Arnold three volunteers each voted for Washington. But Halderman, whose research involves testing the security of election systems, had tampered with the ballot programming, infecting the machine’s memory card with malicious software. When he printed out the results, the receipt showed Arnold had won, 2 to 1. Without a paper trail of each vote, neither the voters nor a human auditor could check for discrepancies. In real elections, too, about 20 percent of voters nationally still cast electronic ballots only.

As the U.S. midterm elections approach, Halderman, among others, has warned our “outmoded and under-tested” electronic voting systems are increasingly vulnerable to attacks. They can also lead to confusion. Some early voters in Texas have already reported votes they cast for Democratic U.S. Senate challenger Beto O’Rourke were switched on-screen to incumbent Republican Sen. Ted Cruz. There’s no evidence of hacking, and the particular machines in question are known to have software bugs, which could account for the errors.


https://www.nap.edu/read/25120/chapter/7


Ensuring the Integrity of Elections


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Disruptions of Electronic Systems
Security vulnerabilities can be exploited to electronically disrupt voting or affect vote counts at polling locations or in instances of remote voting.

Denial-of-service Attacks
Denial-of-service (DoS) attacks interrupt or slow access to computer systems.2 DoS can be used to disrupt vote casting, vote tallying, or election audits by preventing access to e-pollbooks, electronic voting systems, or electronic auditing systems.

When employed against even a limited number of jurisdictions, DoS disruptions could lead to a loss in confidence in overall election integrity. A DoS attack targeting select jurisdictions could alter the outcome of an election.

Malware
Malware—malicious software that includes worms, spyware, viruses, Trojan horses, and ransomware—is perhaps the greatest threat to electronic voting.3 Malware can be introduced at any point in the electronic path of a

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now are we going to go down the road of flyer suppression?
As of Oct. 1st this year, you'll need a valid ID to board a commercial flight anywhere w/in the U.S. Wink
Strike another win for the suppression of fraud.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
So now are we going to go down the road of flyer suppression?
As of Oct. 1st this year, you'll need a valid ID to board a commercial flight anywhere w/in the U.S. Wink
Strike another win for the suppression of fraud.


Just as ultra right-winger hero militia member made it mandatory to have ID for entering a federal building. Good old timmy boy McVeigh....

you are such an idiot to not know the difference between a life-threatening situation and a what makes a democracy election. To date the right wing have never in a court of law ever shown where there was enough fraud to effect a election that a ID would have stopped. Ya russian manipulation or electronic fraud has that potential. Shown in demonstrations many times, right wingers do not care because the russians elect their comrads all the time and the machines are made by right wingers. .

As I have said hundreds of times dems are not against IDs. We just believe they should be free and easily obtained without jumping through hoops. Again I believe the ids with biometrics are fine if you can get them free from every post office. This id is not mandatory but can also be used for jobs. With such an ID an employer can not be convicted if they use this id to verify an employee.

In the usa it is the government that must prove you are guilty not you have to prove you are innocent first. When a person says they are a citizen it is the governemnt must prove you are not in a court with a jury of your peers. The right wing want the governemnt to assume you are guilty without a court conviction.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some good news for the good guys. https://www.gregpalast.com/kemp-loses-vote-purge-suit-brought-by-reporter-palast/?fbclid=IwAR1h2DEISnvKBsLIU2FYF-Rsv7bCiaMmyH3DmUGLCBr1VQ-FWOFdRvQBZ6o
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From voter suppression North Carolina. Not nutty—just biased. The newest voter photo identification scheme was overturned in a unanimous appellate decision. Flawed by “discriminatory intent” found the court.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/north-carolina-voter-id-law/index.html
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No big deal, just go to a precinct, state a name that votes in that precinct and vote. No I.D. of any kind needed. Particularly effective if you check out the obituaries, and vote often.

Does this happen? I don't know, but some sort of I.D. should be required.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what happens when the dems start to get nervous, we start seeing these stories again.
Everybody knows that an I.D. disenfranchises nobody, anybody planning on flying commercial after October? You're going to need an approved I.D.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
This is what happens when the dems start to get nervous, we start seeing these stories again.
Everybody knows that an I.D. disenfranchises nobody, anybody planning on flying commercial after October? You're going to need an approved I.D.


Typical. Trump has lost over 100 cases. So it must be bad judges—not contempt for the rule of law. Just a hint—unanimous decisions by appellate courts are big losses.

Is this grasping at straws?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/-they-must-have-been-doing-this-on-purpose-why-this-man-waited-5-5-hours-to-vote-79965765869?cid=eml_mra_20200304

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.They must have been doing this on purpose': Why this man waited 5.5 hours to vote


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Garrett Haake speaks with a voter at HBCU Texas Southern University in Houston about his experience voting, and explained why the process took so long and how it differed from last year. Rachel Maddow responds, saying this is something "systematically underway in Texas."

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