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coachg



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jingebritsen wrote:
slogging while unhooked is not nearly as physically demanding if one does so more often. it's like running or doing push ups, the more you do it, the more your body adapts.


This would be true if one does this on a regular basis. But if one is only doing push ups or running once every two weeks the body will take forever to adapt. So unless you are sailing out of the harness on a regular basis sailing out of the harness will wear you out quickly & drastically reduce your windsurfing time.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever notice that the best sailors always do everything with such style and aplomb, even in the worst of conditions. It's like they're so in control, and they look good and comfortable doing it. You'll rarely find them doing goofy stuff that doesn't make a lot of sense. Do you think that you could ever catch them stretched out with their front foot up by the mast and their rear foot in the strap because they're fearful of being catapulted? Do they think about the front footstrap being a "bear trap" ready to crush their instep? I don't think so.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coachg wrote:
unless you are sailing out of the harness on a regular basis sailing out of the harness will wear you out quickly & drastically reduce your windsurfing time.

It took months, but my arms adapted very significantly and very obviously as this season wore on, because when jamming off a lip and then planing downwind on this highly rockered and strapless windSUP, I have to be unhooked for self-preservation. And that was after a winter of heavy gym work with lots of serious WSing simulation focus. Crude simulation is very seldom directly applicable in any sport. The biggest improvement came from unhooked TOW, and it will be invaluable in my next phase of sailing, which will focus on unhooked but fully powered downwind riffs.

Much of the pain of unhooked slogging, with or without gusts, comes from lactic acid buildup and muscle glucose exhaustion. Both can be reduced by diet (carb loading helps many people), quick (just a minute or two) rests, and, as Jingebritsen says, acclimation. But it's still gonna be work, and that long homeward slog across the gusty evening wind shadow will still be a bitch with PMS if I can't hook in. (Not sexist, ladies; I just can't think of a gender-neutral metaphor.)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coachg, slogging unhooked thru the impact zone is mandatory if one wishes to sail in the prescribed punta san carlos MO. most down there intentionally do so because they want to be nicely powered when wave sailing that side off break. methinks the only time one would be slogging hooked would be waiting for the right set to roll in. the whole rest of the sesh is sailing unhooked.

i wind sup for hours unhooked. loving every minute of it.

again, the best way to deal with gusty conditions is to rig a slippery, large sail, and jibe in the gusts. try to glide thru the lulls. thus avoid slogging.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A regular session on my surf ski, constantly breaking back out through the impact zone (battle speed paddling power - or be hurled back in) is good for arm, back, and core strength fitness, and out of harness windsurfing. (And much more rewarding than prancing about in a gym! Laughing Laughing )

But I have to titter about all this BFF stuff. When out on my mahusive Mahalo tandem super-tanker board I need a bloody telescope just to even see the back strap. The notion of stuffing one foot in it, and straddling the mast foot with the other would quite explode my head. (Not to mention other more sensitive areas of my anatomy! )

No, I'll hook in, both feet out of straps, and happily and comfortably gallumph along at a purposeful speed, for miles on end. It's the other side of the coin to high wind short boarding, and just as satisfying. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 hours ago, I slogged a sinker downwind from Blackberry Beach to
The Boat Ramp,(in the Gorge) on a failing Easterly, and boy would
that have been a long slog (probably about a mile), if I hadn't been
hooked in for most of it. I like being hooked in while slogging. ;*)

-Craig

p.s. up until that time it was solid 5.2 for a couple of hours, with mini swells
by the red bouy ;*)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you say so.

I'll presume then that you'd equally enjoy the below to ripping jibes
and powered jumps. How do you feel about sex without orgasm?

;*) ;*)

-Craig


GURGLETROUSERS wrote:
No, I'll hook in, both feet out of straps, and happily and comfortably gallumph along at a purposeful speed, for miles on end. It's the other side of the coin to high wind short boarding, and just as satisfying. Razz
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coachg



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jingebritsen wrote:
coachg, slogging unhooked thru the impact zone is mandatory


Agreed John. But the OP is sailing in flat water, in the lee of an island in gusty winds with weeks between sessions. In that situation there is nothing wrong with schlogging in the harness, conserving energy while waiting for the next gust.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, without getting too philosophical, man can't live by strwberries and cream alone, and remain content. (Solomons lament.) I feel sure most of us had cave-man ancestors who banged their heads against the wall to avoid a surfeit of pleasure.

But isn't variation the very fuel of life? Didn't you actually enjoy slogging your sinker - or why mention it! Wink

The O.P. likes his lake, or would simply have given up bothering to windsurf. When I was in that first years flush of windsurfing (wow - secret of life, and all that) everything, and every day felt wonderful, and I couldn't get enough of it.

The shame with many, is that they go down that blind alley of ever higher winds and smaller boards ONLY, and become disillusioned (in real world less than perfect conditions) with the whole thing, and drift out of the sport. They don't seem to 'get it' that sessions of less intense activity on bigger boards actually enhance the whole experience of sailing, can be a 'thing' in themselves, and keep that magic flame burning brightly.

Why else would some of us be in it for life!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, if one is dealing with dying winds, then it is okay to slog hooked in, but when gusts come in like canon balls, i won't. it's all about context here. the op wanted to know about gusty stuff. that could the occasional puff, to 18-38 wild stuff with rotary directions and such.
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