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real-human



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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keycocker



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW,
The very first thing The GOP said after the first Obama election was that their first priority was stopping all things Obama.
I did not support the President, but I hoped that McConnell was kidding.
He was not.
Conservatives values were abandoned by the GOP on that day and the Party of No was born.
Do you really admire the GOPs accomplishments since then?
Congress has set a new record each year for number of bills not passed, work not done, including this year.
Obama has many faults and weaknesses, but that lack of legislation done by Congress is not among them.
They have an approval rating sometimes in single digits, so most conservatives are not fooled in this matter.
Are you?
History will record these plain facts.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pointed this out once before, but it fell on deaf ears.

Quote:
Obama Deportations Definitely Not Record-Breaking
By Jessica Vaughan, December 26, 2013

In its first four years the Obama administration deported 3.2 million aliens, averaging just over 800,000 per year. Pro-amnesty advocacy groups, administration officials, lawmakers, and lazy reporters all have claimed this is a record, but it is not. In fact, according to historical DHS statistics, this is the lowest total and annual average since the mid-1970s.

Bloomberg News reporter Bill Selway wrote this last week:

The ordinances come as Obama's administration has faced pressure from Democratic lawmakers and Hispanic backers to scale back deportations, which hit a record 409,900 in the 2012 budget year. During his five years in office, the Obama administration has sent 1.93 million people back to their home countries, close to what President George W. Bush did in eight years and nearly as many as in the 108 years before Bush took office.

The statistic in the first sentence refers to the number of deportations claimed by ICE for 2012, not total deportations. In order to achieve this "record," ICE juiced its numbers by counting certain Border Patrol cases as ICE removals, which had not been done in prior years. (Border Patrol deportations are usually counted as "returns".) So ICE's deportation record under the Obama administration is about as valid as Barry Bonds' home run record.

Because the Obama administration has blurred the lines of which agencies can take credit for deportations, the only fair way to assess their performance is to count all deportations done by all the DHS agencies. These are reported every year in the DHS Yearbook of Immigration Statistics in Table 39, which shows the number of "removals" and "returns" by all immigration enforcement agencies going back to 1927.

There we find that the total number of aliens "sent back" under first four years of the Obama administration is just over 3.2 million (not 1.93 million, as Selway wrote). This is an annual average of just over 800,000 sent back per year. Official numbers for 2013 have not been released yet, but the total will be about the same, with just over 400,000 Border patrol deportations and about 370,000 attributed to ICE.

That is nowhere near the totals under George Bush's administration, which were over 10.3 million total deportations with an annual average of 1.2 million (see the table below).

The real record for deportations belongs to the Clinton administration. Obama's total is lower than the last six administrations, even lower than Jimmy Carter's.

Sure, illegal border crossings, which generate the lion's share of all deportations, have slowed some during the Obama administration, and that's one reason why the Border Patrol is deporting fewer aliens, but the plain fact remains that the Obama administration has not deported more people than any recent previous administration – not even close. The other reason the Obama deportation numbers are low is because interior enforcement has been nearly dismantled due to executive-decree amnesties and so-called "prosecutorial discretion," which shields at least 90 percent of the illegal population from enforcement.

The most egregious reporting malpractice in Selway's article is the absurd claim that Obama's deportation numbers are "nearly as many as in the 108 years before Bush took office."

I expect the pro-amnesty advocacy groups to keep spouting bogus statistics to support their outrageous demands for an end to all deportations, but there's no excuse for reporters at national news organizations to keep accepting it at face value.


Go to: http://www.cis.org/vaughan/obama-deportations-definitely-not-record-breaking

And check out the chart.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Go to: http://www.cis.org/vaughan/obama-deportations-definitely-not-record-breaking

And check out the chart.

So, you should be deliriously happy, ecstatic, to see a Clinton next in the White House.

Will you be?

Or will you be chanting Benghazi-Benghazi alongside a few others?
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno,
I took an interest when you posted that info before but didn't respond when I researched the matter.
Factcheck and politifact disagree with your post.
The source is an adamantly anti Obama site.
The numbers are confusing, as noted by the author, so he spun them to produce questionable conclusions.
This is exactly the accusation they are making in the post against Obama.
Spin is everywhere. Thank the stars for fact checking sites.

Some examples are the number of deportations changing names, which is presented as a scam to boost numbers by Obama. The real reason given by the fact check sites is that more people are getting busted and processed with heavier penalties because of stepped up enforcement since Obama. In the past they were released to go back on their own, which is not called deportation.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More on the deportation/removals/returns FACTS.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jul/15/lou-dobbs/lou-dobbs-obama-administration-manipulated-deporta/

Manipulating the data to suit one's politics happen on both sides. It's unfortunate that it's so hard to find the REAL story that most of the media fails to investigate.
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mac



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lou Dobbs as a credible source?
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pueno



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Lou Dobbs as a credible source?

Mac, ya gotta understand that a certain segment of the far fringe rabid right thinks the universe revolves around Fox Nooz and the sun shines outta Hannity's ass.

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uwindsurf



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Lou Dobbs as a credible source?


http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jul/15/lou-dobbs/lou-dobbs-obama-administration-manipulated-deporta/

Dobbs said the federal government "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration."

Deportations or "removals" under Obama are tracking higher than during the Bush years using the most literal deportation statistics, as well as those solely from ICE. Dobbs’ contention that the Obama administration is inflating its number is an interpretation of a change in federal policy to process and remove people trying to enter the country illegally rather than just turn them around. Whether you agree with the policy, those formal removals are occurring.

That strategy is rooted in previous administrations but was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders.

We rate the claim False.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee, let's play credible source game instead of countering with some facts. Although I can't dig it up at the moment, I recall that my first post months ago was from a government web site. NO one questioned the source at that time.

I will be happy to back down when someone can dig up some government data that counters what I am posting. In the mean time, I will try to find some more credible sources for the naysayers.
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