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uwindsurf
Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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stevenbard wrote: | What I stated was a fact Mac. |
You said a lot of stuff. All "fact"?
How 'bout these facts:
"These initial improvements in livestock management, which arrested the degradation of public rangelands while improving watersheds, were appropriate for the times. But by the 1960s and 1970s, public appreciation for public lands and expectations for their management rose to a new level, as made clear by congressional passage of such laws as the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976. Consequently, the BLM moved from managing grazing in general to better management or protection of specific rangeland resources, such as riparian areas, threatened and endangered species, sensitive plant species, and cultural or historical objects. Consistent with this enhanced role, the Bureau developed or modified the terms and conditions of grazing permits and leases and implemented new range improvement projects to address these specific resource issues, promoting continued improvement of public rangeland conditions."
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/grazing.html |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Well then crank up the choppers, and position the snipers!
Lock and load! |
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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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That is exactly the thing the government didn't do.
The fake press is crowing about "winning"as a result.
It is also characterizing the gov. as doing just that.
So is NW.
Fairy tale much more satisfying than real life. Like with the seatbelt lady. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:31 am Post subject: |
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No wonder beef prices have been sky rocketing. |
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uwindsurf
Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:22 am Post subject: |
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stevenbard wrote: | No wonder beef prices have been sky rocketing. |
Why? Because pursuant to a Federal Court order the BLM is rounding up the cattle of one criminal in Nevada?
Why not do a little research and discover the real reason for the increase in the price of beef instead of perpetuating a conservative myth.
From: http://www.agweb.com/article/economist_beef_cattle_prices_poised_to_continue_record_run_NAA_University_News_Release/
"For beef cattle prices to continue their record run, the 2014 U.S. corn crop will have to produce record yields, according to a Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Service economist..."I think we will have higher prices whether it is retail or cattle prices," he said. "I don’t think we are there yet as far as herd expansion."
"Look for continued high prices," said David Anderson at the recent Central Texas Cow-Calf Clinic at the Milano Livestock Exchange. "Tight supplies are underpinning the market. I think we are going to have higher calf prices than we did in 2013 and higher prices in 2015 than we did in 2014."
Fewer cows and calves will lead to less beef production over the next couple of years, Anderson said. Cattle on feed numbers as well as slaughter and beef production are down from levels a year ago, signaling less supply.
Anderson said the biggest threat to future high calf prices is feed prices...The only concern ahead is the 2014 corn crop. Anderson said corn prices today "are darn near half of what they were in 2012. In 2013, the opposite happened. We had a record corn crop and corn prices went down, while calf prices took off. Going forward, to maintain these high calf prices we’ve got to have a record corn crop."
Bundy needs to buy his own feed or pay the government for feeding his cattle from government land. If Bundy can't afford it, he should go out of business. If the price of beef goes up, so be it. Isn't that what the free market is all about? |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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mac
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:27 am Post subject: |
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To counteract the rampant paranoia of the Nit Wit, it is helpful to look back at Ruby Ridge and Waco, and ask who was president? It was, of course, Bush during Ruby Ridge and Clinton during Waco. The New Yorker published a very interesting article about Koresh and the siege earlier this year that stimulates thinking as well as controversy: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/03/31/140331fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all
The thesis, for those too closed-minded to possibly read an article from such a "liberal" rag is that the government was unable to understand or communicate with the religious mind-set of those in the Koresh camp. It makes interesting reading, as do the more recent letters to the editor in this new issue.
Two things are striking in the way in which NW raised the issue and Bard piled on. First, this doesn't fit the standard attack piece on Obama--his approach is fundamentally different than the authoritarian approach of Bush and Clinton when challenged. So the right has to identify Reid as the culprit. Of course this has to ignore the fact that the planning for uses of BLM land started in 2003--during the Bush administration. So the right, again, ignores all the inconvenient facts to make up their own.
Second, the problem with likening this to the Koresh siege is that you don't have to agree with the government's response to think that there was a huge issue. Koresh was taking as "brides", and marrying off to others in his cult, girls under the age of consent. That is statutory rape in Texas, and most other states. The question that requires some thinking there is that what do we do, as a society, when there is a conflict between our values of protecting religious freedom, and protecting minors from abuse by adults?
To be sure, all of these issues escape attention by Nit Wit and the Bard because they weren't in the e-mails that ginned them up in the first place. Critical thinking, particularly on the right, has been a casualty of the culture wars started by Karl Rove. |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Then you liked the way those other two debacles turned out?
Critical thinking mackyboy. |
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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | Then you liked the way those other two debacles turned out?
Critical thinking mackyboy. |
And BTW, who said Bush and his brother are anything but progressive Repubicans? Most conservatives never liked the younger Bush's or their policies. Jeb just came out in favor of giving our country away. |
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