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here is another multi billionaire that I just read about.. use to be number 61 richest in the usa.
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201207/amber-waves-of-green-jon-ronson-gq-july-2012?currentPage=1
B. Wayne Hughes works when he's in Malibu. As it happens, Wayne is a substantial donor to Republican causes. For example, he has given $3.25 million to American Crossroads, a super PAC started by Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie that pays for GOP campaign ads. You'll see a lot of "Paid for by American Crossroads" on your TV in the coming months.
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mrgybe
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| Exxon in 97th place! You mean the total contributions of one of the largest and most profitable organizations on earth are half of those made by University of California to Barack Obama's re-election campaign? Who'd have thunk it based upon reading these forums. Could it be that some contributors here have no idea what they are talking about and are simply blinded by bias? Surely not. |
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real-human
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| mrgybe wrote: | | Exxon in 97th place! You mean the total contributions of one of the largest and most profitable organizations on earth are half of those made by University of California to Barack Obama's re-election campaign? Who'd have thunk it based upon reading these forums. Could it be that some contributors here have no idea what they are talking about and are simply blinded by bias? Surely not. |
again my point, math and facts are just not on right wingers side, just taking lobbyists money not even Pacs it is about 30 to one advantage to right wingers. Right wingers are so good at playing the victim...
Wow this really amazes me how dumb right wingers are that they are not capable of any critical thought filtering. This above is the classic example if a right winger is not told how to think they cannot figure out the simplest of things. It is a very sad commentary of the right wing companies and why america is falling behind the world because our education system is so underfunded and at war with the right wingers that teach not to learn but the world is only 4000 years old thinking. That you are just to believe what the trust fund Oligarks tell you to think.
Just to make it short and clear. This is only the money that goes directly to the democrats not including the following;
1, does not include what is sent to Lobbying, estimated I think it is 30 times that amount. It does not have to be disclosed completely. estimated half is not reported
2, does not include what is sent to 501.c like the swift boat funders like Rove was in charge of that Rove had one 501c3 that had spent an estimated 500 million in the last presidential election and these do not have to report their donors.
3, does not include the PACs that specially in election cycle outspend liberals with big money, 2 to one.
4, Does not include expenses ads that are not deemed to be political but they are.. because they do not name a specific candidate federal law says it is not political spending. For instance when Bill and Hillary tried to pass healt care way back, the Ozzi and Heriet ads they were put on the TV saying they did not want government in their lives. This ad campaign the year after Bill took office they spent more or about the same on ads that it took to elected Clinton the year before. This is not counted as a political ad but they are. Again just this single issue the insurance companies spent more in ads than it cost to win to be president.
The oil medical companies constantly spend on ads that are propaganda political, for instance the oil company one of doctor deep so her mother could drive to work, or the medical drug company researcher saying she is a researcher to develop drugs to save her mother. This are not ads because an ad for product attempts to get more sales by getting people to change from exon to shell oil. they are political and are more money than the dems have to spend.
4, Fox is a 24 hour 365 free advertising for right wingers. What is that worth? Well probably 80-90 percent of all political spent money goes to TV advertising as it is the most effective. there is no biased liberal that owns any major media in the USA.
6 now the funniest one that the right wingers could not read in this contributions is the Koch brothers donations as listed. click on republican vs dem then item listed as number 46 Koch Industries $1,024,250 to the dems $1,024,250 to the right wingers.
If you believe that the cokes are neutral because they gave equal to both parties you are about the dumbest thing on the face of the planet as I stated in the beginning of my post. That right wingers really are. Sheldon adleson by himself gave 98 million and it is estimated the cokes with the 501 put him to shame.
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/
Lobbyist spend 3.3 BILLION a year... to lobby... only 30 times the numbers you sited of political contributions.
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s&showYear=2013
on this page they list the companies paying lobbyists. Not one partisan liberal one on the first page. Google would come the closest, but goggle has shifted to the right in its activities of spying on consumers and so on. they are trying to stop dems from allowing them open season on all things of privacy. the top contributor is a right wing organization paying 74 million a year. which again is close to the total dems receive from the listed source page you gave.
wiki
| Quote: | | The number of registered Washington lobbyists is substantial. In 2009, the Washington Post estimated that there were 13,700 registered lobbyists, describing the nation's Capitol as "teeming with lobbyists.".[2] In 2011, The Guardian estimated that in addition to the approximately 13,000 registered lobbyists, thousands more unregistered lobbyists could exist in Washington.[30] The ratio of lobbyists employed by the healthcare industry, compared with every elected politician, was six to one, according to one account. |
| Quote: | | Still, of all the entities doing lobbying in Washington, the biggest overall spenders are, in fact, corporations. In the first decade of the 2000s, the most lucrative clients for Gerald Cassidy's lobbying firm were corporations, displacing fees from the appropriations business.[29] Wall Street lobbyists and the financial industry spent upwards of $100 million in one year to "court regulators and lawmakers", particularly since they were "finalizing new regulations for lending, trading and debit card fees. |
wow look how much unions spend on lobbying.
| Quote: | Unions
One report suggested the United Food & Commercial Workers International Union spent $80,000 lobbying the federal government on issues relating to "the tax code, food safety, immigration reform and other issues. |
And here is a total for lobbyists since 1998
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i
note the healthcare industry has spent 3 billion in that alone. hardly a liberal company and again on that page not one group is liberal...........
http://www.thenation.com/article/178460/shadow-lobbying-complex
| Quote: | | While the official figure puts the annual spending on lobbying at $3.2 billion in 2013, Thurber estimates that the industry brings in more than $9 billion a year. Other experts have made similar estimates, but no one is sure how large the industry has become. Lee Drutman, a lobbying expert at the Sunlight Foundation, says that at least twice as much is spent on lobbying as is officially reported. |
remember just in insurance healthcare there are 6 lobbyists to one elected official.
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2014/01/21/revolving-door-lobbyists-government-experience/
For 2012, we estimate that lobbyists who list a government staff position somewhere in their lobbyist disclosure firms were associated with a median revenue of $300,000. That’s almost three times the median revenue we estimate that lobbyists without government experience generated: $112,500.
http://www.leedrutman.com/uploads/2/3/0/1/2301208/business_of_america_is_lobbying.pdf
PACs top two are right wing and double the dems... this is just Pacs. one of these pacs is more than all the dem money you reported.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php?cycle=2012
Restore Our Future supports Romney $142,097,336 Conservative
American Crossroads $104,746,670 Conservative
Priorities USA Action supports Obama $65,166,859 Liberal
Majority PAC $37,498,257 Liberal
House Majority PAC $30,470,122 Liberal
Freedomworks for America $19,636,548 Conservative
Winning Our Future supports Gingrich $17,007,762 Conservative
Club for Growth Action $16,584,207 Conservative
Ending Spending Action Fund $13,250,766 Conservative
Congressional Leadership Fund $9,450,223 Conservative
I ask you right wingers how can you be so ignorant of the facts and reality. How can you be this wrong, here you thought you were the victim in this case and those were didly of the money buying the system? Just one other one is 30 times that amount of money and basically all right wing. You own the media which is who gets the bulk of the money, ie when dems even spend the little they have it goes into right wing trust fund oligarch’s pockets. I see nowhere in the media, books, talk shows, blogs is this issue being brought up.
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They say it is harder to give up rationalization than sex. Of course this particular page doesn't capture all giving, or PAC's, or the influence of the energy sector in total. Try this other page on the web site: http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/sector.php?txt=E01&cycle=2014
to see that $15.5 million comes from the energy sector--73% to Republicans. Of that, the bulk is from oil and gas, with mining a distant second--and over 83% to Republicans.
The spin meister is apparently alive and spinning.
But the take home message is that we're not so bad because others are worse? If you total corporate and union donations, and add in PAC's, the lion's share comes from business--and they get back about $22 in tax relief and regulatory benefits for every $1 they give. |
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techno900
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bajadean said: | Quote: | | can you name all the so called politically active biased liberal Obama billionaires... Lets see what you got... |
Let's see how this plays out................
The topic was individual campaign donors, Bard lists a bunch of liberal donors, I post a web site that expands the information on donors to include corporate donors for everyone's benefit (left and right), mrgybe makes an observation about Exxon =
bajadean goes off the deep end with his typical demeaning comments and rants............
So interesting and telling. |
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Techno--poke around on the site and pay attention. It makes Bard's point very well about the influence of money and oligarch's. With a United States population of over 300 million, it is about 0.1% that contribute more than $2500. http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/donordemographics.php?cycle=2012
In one sense, I agree with the Supreme Court. Contributions to political parties and candidates are a fundamental element of free speech. My problems with this are 1) extending that right to corporations, who exist largely to shelter their stockholders from full liability for their mistakes, and 2) keeping it all secret. In that respect this is a great organization and web site--but well suited to spin by you and mrgybe.
Look at is some more. |
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real-human
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| techno900 wrote: | bajadean said: | Quote: | | can you name all the so called politically active biased liberal Obama billionaires... Lets see what you got... |
Let's see how this plays out................
The topic was individual campaign donors, Bard lists a bunch of liberal donors, I post a web site that expands the information on donors to include corporate donors for everyone's benefit (left and right), mrgybe makes an observation about Exxon =
bajadean goes off the deep end with his typical demeaning comments and rants............
So interesting and telling. |
yes, you did not post on individual donors did you. Oh corporations are people too.. where have i heard that? thanks for showing you went to the deep end.
When it is posted such ignorance yep life is too short to sugar coat right wing stupidity and ignorant arguments, yep exxon et all should have how many votes?
So yes... I Christyied you for real stupid slants. Right wingers love his in your face style, which is similar then Rush, Oliely, InSanity, Beck and all right wing talk. I just do not have a 10 million listener forum, plus i give facts... I know you love it when it is dished without the facts at liberals but I am not allowed to present facts.
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just saw on MSNBC Koch brothers in that election spent 407 million.
half a billion between them and Adelson.
52 percent of likely registered voters do not even know who the Koch brothers are.
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In my opinion, what people should be questioning is the practice of corporations, unions, or special interest groups contributing to political campaigns. This debate about who and how much is like arguing if murder or rape are crimes and which one is worse.
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