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droberts



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:38 am    Post subject: Simmer Flywave 75 Reply with quote

Looking for some info on the construction and handling of Simmer wave boards.
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derekcoon



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Freewave 95 - actually, it's my second one as the first one was replaced under "warranty". (Quotes because there is NO actual warranty, but they did replace it after much grief.) Anyway, it's the WORST construction I've ever seen on a board. I can literally squeeze the hull and leave finger dents on the bottom. (The top is pretty good.)

While I love the shape and the ride, the construction is terrible. So in conclusion. 0/10 on construction and 10/10 on handling for the Freewave 95.

And I wouldn't buy it again btw, but I will say that Loopee was a completely stand up guy through the whole thing and from what I can tell fought for me throughout. I have done business with him since and will again.
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rlemmens



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, certain board constructions (usually high end ones) don't have very strong bottoms when you compress them say with a rock or fingers. Carbon can flex really well to absorb impacts but is also brittle so can get punctured more easily. All they really have to do is absorb water impacts so maybe your experience would be different than Derek's. That being said I could be completely wrong since I haven't owned a simmer board. But carbon construction boards I've had from other companies have had similar issues because of the construction.
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xander.arch



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sailed a 75 flywave in Maui for a day. It was a good all rounder and easy to sail, but for me didn't stand out in any one category. I didn't spend much time on it though since another quad really grabbed my heart for Maui conditions. I'm guessing it would be a very good board for smaller onshore mushy waves like Waddell in the summer.
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dvCali



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rlemmens wrote:
To be fair, certain board constructions (usually high end ones) don't have very strong bottoms when you compress them say with a rock or fingers.

Compress with a rock? Shocked Shocked

BTW: no board bottom should flex under finger pressure, especially if "high end".
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U2U2U2



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek is yours the FIRST Year version ?

Simmer boards are made in China at the former AB factory, as I understand some SUP are made there. AB ( Mistral) moved to VietNam.
I think thats all correct.

Not convinced that the quality coming of of VietNam China or Thailand is different to the tune I would prefer one over the other. But AB left that plant for a reason.

I have heard the now 2nd year quality has improved on the Simmers.

The designer of some of the boards Ola Helenius who did some Starboard seems to be a great shaper and real in tune with multi fin variations.
for Simmer a lot of info is available on the Boards Forum:

just one thread here:

http://forums.boards.mpora.com/showthread.php/66132-The-Frugal-Fish-is-in

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derekcoon



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, mine is a first year version. I was told the replacement would be a second year version but I'm not sure if it is or not. I can't tell any difference. Well, that's not entirely true. For a short time I had both the original and the replacement in my possession and I ran a straight edge over the hull bottoms. There were noticeable differences, but I believe they were a result of manufacturing tolerances being too loose or not meeting spec.

I'm familiar with Boards and have talked to Ola. (Virtually.) I have no complaints about the design. It's a wonderful ride really. I would even go so far as to say that it's my favorite board ever at that size. Just crap construction.
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U2U2U2



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

umm

I have yet to even see one. I have some assurance from creditable sources that the 2nd year were much better quality control.

nice to hear (again) that Loopee has some customer service .

I question why Simmer let the customer do the R & D

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xander.arch



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that a few years back Goya also moved their board manufacturing out of China after experiencing some problems as well. I'm not sure where they are made now, but it sounds like the construction is very good now.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not heard that GOYA were ever made in China

only Cobra in Thailand .

someone with a box can verify that ?
or take this as truth :

http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Who-shapes-Goya-Boards/

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