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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:42 pm    Post subject: 2013 tax expendatures Reply with quote

this is before the Obamacare for those right wingers that do not know we already spend that much on healthcare.

We need to cut more education.... and the military spending is not enough...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to worry, the way we now have our money revenue set up, as well as anybody who wants a job now has one, everything will be just fine, with so few sucking off of the government tit, we can afford anything.
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86M Full-Time Private-Sector Workers Sustain 148M Benefit Takers
April 16, 2014 - 5:04 AM
By Terence P. Jeffrey

Buried deep on the website of the U.S. Census Bureau is a number every American citizen, and especially those entrusted with public office, should know. It is 86,429,000.

That is the number of Americans who in 2012 got up every morning and went to work in the private sector and did it week after week after week.

These are the people who built America, and these are the people who can sustain it as a free country. The liberal media have not made them famous like the polar bear, but they are truly a threatened species.

It is not a rancher with a few hundred head of cattle that is attacking their habitat, nor an energy company developing a fossil fuel. It is big government and its primary weapon an ever-expanding welfare state.

First, let's look at the basic taxonomy of the full-time, year-round American worker.

In 2012, according to the Census Bureau, approximately 103,087,000 people worked full-time, year-round in the United States. "A full-time, year-round worker is a person who worked 35 or more hours per week (full time) and 50 or more weeks during the previous calendar year (year round)," said the Census Bureau. "For school personnel, summer vacation is counted as weeks worked if they are scheduled to return to their job in the fall."

Of the 103,087,000 full-time, year-round workers, 16,606,000 worked for the government. That included 12,597,000 who worked for state and local government and 4,009,000 who worked for the federal government.

The 86,429,000 Americans who worked full-time, year-round in the private sector, included 77,392,000 employed as wage and salary workers for private-sector enterprises and 9,037,000 who worked for themselves. (There were also approximately 52,000 who worked full-time, year-round without pay in a family enterprise.)

At first glance, 86,429,000 might seem like a healthy population of full-time private-sector workers. But then you need to look at what they are up against.

The Census Bureau also estimates the size of the benefit-receiving population.

This population, too, falls into two broad categories. The first includes those who receive benefits for public services they performed or in exchange for payroll taxes they dutifully paid their entire working lives. Among these, for example, are those receiving veteran's benefits, those on unemployment and those getting Medicare and Social Security.

The second category includes those who get "means-tested" government benefits or welfare. These include, for example, those who get Medicaid, food stamps, Supplemental Security Income, public housing, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and Women, Infants Children.

Let's examine this second category first, which the Census Bureau reports as "anyone residing in a household in which one or more people received benefits from the program."

In the last quarter of 2011, according to the Census Bureau, approximately 82,457,000 people lived in households where one or more people were on Medicaid. 49,073,000 lived in households were someone got food stamps. 23,228,000 lived in households where one or more got WIC. 20,223,000 lived in households where one or more got SSI. 13,433,000 lived in public or government-subsidized housing.

Of course, it stands to reason that some people lived in households that received more than one welfare benefit at a time. To account for this, the Census Bureau published a neat composite statistic: There were 108,592,000 people in the fourth quarter of 2011 who lived in a household that included people on "one or more means-tested program."

Those 108,592,000 outnumbered the 86,429,000 full-time private-sector workers who inhabited the United States in 2012 by almost 1.3 to 1.

This brings us to the first category of benefit receivers. There were 49,901,000 people receiving Social Security in the fourth quarter of 2011, and 46,440,000 receiving Medicare. There were also 5,098,000 getting unemployment compensation.

And there were also, 3,178,000 veterans receiving benefits and 34,000 veterans getting educational assistance.

All told, including both the welfare recipients and the non-welfare beneficiaries, there were 151,014,000 who "received benefits from one or more programs" in the fourth quarter of 2011. Subtract the 3,212,000 veterans, who served their country in the most profound way possible, and that leaves 147,802,000 non-veteran benefit takers.

The 147,802,000 non-veteran benefit takers outnumbered the 86,429,000 full-time private sector workers 1.7 to 1.

How much more can the 86,429,000 endure?

As more baby boomers retire, and as Obamacare comes fully online with its expanded Medicaid rolls and federally subsidized health insurance for anyone earning less than 400 percent of the poverty level the number of takers will inevitably expand. And the number of full-time private-sector workers might also contract.

Eventually, there will be too few carrying too many, and America will break.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is funny is how you and the writer of that piece are so math challenged.

I post where the entire pie is cut and going. and you just do not get it, same with that intellectually challenged writer. Right wingers just are not very smart as shown by nearly every single metric there is. That is not a co-incidence. That is why right wingers say folksy people like Palin Reagun should run our country, you know idiots who are great charisma cheerleaders. That is why right wingers hate the educated people who achieve.

Again because the health care before obamacare this year that large side of the pie above are a huge part of the population. So you right wingers believe these retired people are takers by this article and should be working till they drop on the floor at a McDonalds for minimum wage. That is apparently your ideal scenario.

BTW I think the number about 50% of the food stamps goes to kids. Yep you moron you want children to have full time jobs don't you. Yep you want the disabled to be working full time too. Are you sure you do not just want to put them to death you slime.

This is just the one part of the pie, needless to say he did not go into how much of the government is military pay did he. IE the single largest piece of the pie that is bankrupting america and we are not even close to being safe. Having the biggest baddest weapons does't do much to make us the safest in the world. In fact it puts a target on our back. BTW Russia has always had the most destructive bombs in the world in recent times.

And the author of your paper was just to friggen stupid to understand just that point with this ignorant article. Shows how you are the card carrying example of american ignorance/sheep to post something like that as what you respect and believe.

http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/programs-and-services/public-assistance-programs/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program/snap-myths-realities.aspx
PROGRAM FACTS

SNAP is targeted at the most vulnerable.


76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.[i]

at the same time the Koch brothers since Obama took office have about doubled their net wealth.. now these trust fund kids who were given their money are now worth about 80 billion dollars. and they are complaining about taxes and they are the victims. WOW 40 to 80 billion dollar Obama victims. Shame the average american can not be such a victime too. How come only the super rich can be victims.

Don't you think you should be kissing his ash when you go from 40 billion to 80 billion?

Corporations are making more and have more money than ever yet they will not hire because they want to play the victim game and your cited source is to friggen stuppid to figure it out.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bajadean said:
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what is funny is how you and the writer of that piece are so math challenged


Saying it is wrong is one thing, proving it is wrong is another. I will take your side, just show me where the math is incorrect.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a continuing quest to post the most suspect and paranoid versions of non-reality, NW now cites this guy:

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Terence P. Jeffrey is editor-in-chief of the conservative US Internet news service CNSNews.com, a position he assumed in September 2007. He became Editor of Human Events, a national conservative weekly in the United States, in 1996.


Isn't there a range war you want to start? Or maybe an ocean to fill up with rocks? Get busy dude.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, I know, mackyboy, I shouldda got it from think progress, the daily kos, or the rolling stone, then you would have accepted it.
No caps on purpose.
Get any bud in your Easter egg today?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900,

I can't argue with the fact that bajaDean can be edgy and insulting in his comments, but he has a much clearer view of what is going on in our country. You have to admit, the right wing article had nothing to say about how much we spend on the military, which is clearly the lion's share of the pie. Why chose to selectively rag on the "benefit-receiving population"? As a senior citizen, do you feel ashamed to draw your Social Security award? Would you prefer to do away with Medicare, or Food Stamps?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
I know, I know, mackyboy, I shouldda got it from think progress, the daily kos, or the rolling stone, then you would have accepted it.
No caps on purpose.
Get any bud in your Easter egg today?


again your Koch brother info sites are paid to make the Kochs victims in the eyes of morons. It was just shown beck et all shows are paid huge fees to have these Koch sponsored people spewing their Nazi like propaganda BIG LIES.

Again the Koch brothers have gone from 40 billion wealth when Obama took over to 80 Billion and they are the victims? Thet they somehow being held back from making money by government and we need to get government off their backs??????????????? and you BUY that stupidity.

That corporations have more money in savings and profits right now in the history of mankind. And we need to stop government so they can create more jobs?????????????? and you buy into that stupidity?

That the average persons new wealth has not grown with inflation yet the top 1% theirs is doubling, not just a few percent but doubling. and yet the average person is not.

and 83% of the money in food stamp type programs goes to children, elderly, and handicapped and these to you are handout s that should be working for it. You are one sick and cruel person to want mentally ill seniors and children on assembly lines.

BTW happy easter today if that day means anything to your support of the oligarchs/roman empires. vs the poor............

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler said:
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You have to admit, the right wing article had nothing to say about how much we spend on the military, which is clearly the lion's share of the pie.


No I don't have to admit anything other than the article had nothing to do with military spending, so why is that an issue? In the most simplistic way, it just compared the number of people that contribute to the government with those that take from the government.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about money spent, but I guess you're always looking for the topics that rag on all perceived losers in society. That's your magnet. Ever think about what you're missing and why?
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