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swchandler



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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When someone buys electricity, there's a cost, just like when someone is buying gasoline. Ultimately there will be carbon taxes on all sources of energy.
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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
So how many billions must be spent to construct a system to collect mileage taxes? It would probably create hundreds/thousands of jobs that we would have to pay for via more taxes.

Toll roads? A significant number of the users in the states where I have lived don't pay when they get billed, with no system in place for collection.

Keep it simple - If electric or hybrid cars don't pay any or enough gas taxes, just take is when the car is sold as a road use tax (definitely no subsidies). Easy collection with little additional bureaucracy to manage it. The down side would be that the cost conscious driver would likely by a gas or diesel car with great mileage to avoid the point of sale road use tax on a hybrid or electric car.

Do you think any bureaucrat considered the down side of electric cars (no gas taxes) when they decided to offer subsidies to motivate buying? How can one NOT be a skeptic?

no need. The GOVt would just contract with Apple and Google to track their use using GPS, and bill them quarterly using an Apple Account. The point is because gas taxes have not moved up, while at the same time traffic has gotten unbearable. The opportunity loss is stratospheric. Infrastructure is also terrible as a result of less revenue, another massive unquantifyable detractor to the economy.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I get it..........you want the government to track our precise movements using Apple and Google GPS technology. Would the NSA be running that program?
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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEWSFLASH: they already do. Whether you like it or not, the NSA knows where you are and where you are going , at all times.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No they don't.........too much TV. If the weather was better in SF you'd be able to get out more and not be watching spy movies all day.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr G ...I know you're just kidding on the weather thing. The weather here is ridiculous...I actually felt guilty all winter watching the brutal storms polaxing the Eastern Seaboard. I do like conspiracy theory/spy movies though. I imagine somewhere there is a tape recording of my voice, and I probably have a micro-chip in my skull.
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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bang on Mr G.

Nobody over here knows where anybody or anything is, or so it seems, except if on the sea. Then, if you are stationary for more than a couple of minutes a lifeboat and a helicopter will most likely be scrambled your way.

Most irritating, if all I'm doing is sitting on my longboard contemplating the purpose and meaning of life - as one is prone to do!

And no, I can't find any satisfactory answer.
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