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Shark bites Kanaha Kiter
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summertime



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shreddbob wrote:
That coral reef study:......
So...Putting it all together, the waste water discharges increase the nitrogen, which causes algal blooms that then attract lots of turtles. And guess who likes to eat turtles! I have noticed lots more turtles in the water at Kanaha recently compared to say 10 years ago.
That makes total sense! great thesis! now can you recommend solutions and send it to the maui news in hopes of pressuring the gov. to do something? I saw 2 turtles inside the reef at lowers on my one and only sail day at kanaha this trip. In my many other trips (20?) sailing at lowers I never saw a turtle inside he reef. I saw a couple outside the reef in years past.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turtle soup is the solution... Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

summertime wrote:
great thesis! now can you recommend solutions and send it to the maui news in hopes of pressuring the gov. to do something?


It all boils down to very complicated Federal regulations. Just start reading the coral reef study starting at right side of p. 14 and you'll see what I mean.
http://coralreefecology.ucsd.edu/files/2010/09/Dailer_et-al_2010_MPB.pdf
This section comes around to this: " ...the Maui Ocean Center NPDES discharge is limited to 3.1 kg (7 lbs) d􏰀1 of TN, and is subject to further reductions if needed under a TMDL; whereas the County of Maui WWRF UIC permits do not limit the mass discharge of nitrogen and currently inject mass loads estimated to range from 79 to 207 kg (131 457 lbs) d􏰀1 of TN. Implementation of pollutant load reduction to meet TMDL allocation is mandatory for discharges authorized un- der NPDES permits, whereas attainment of allocations for other sources, such as injection wells under federal UIC permits and per- mit-exempted nonpoint sources, is implemented through voluntary and incentive based programs." (emphasis mine) ...and things like this are status quo: "This [Lahaina WWRF] facility has the ability to disinfect less than half of the effluent daily with UV radiation; the remaining effluent is not disinfected and is directed to the injection wells." (I assume this is the case for Kahului as well.)

Even if they did disinfect everything (cleaner water for swimming) that wouldn't do the trick here--they'd also have to remove the nitrogen for algae bloom reduction. The report does cite a precedent in Florida: "In 1996, the State of Florida 120 Administrative Hearing was held to discuss anthropogenic nutrient loading in the Florida Keys, where the hearing officer ruled that land-based nutrients pose a threat to coral reefs and that improved wastewater treatment and nutrient removal must be developed in the Keys. This led to a governmental mandate for the Florida Keys to have central sew- age collection and treatment including nutrient removal by July 1, 2010 (Risk et al., 2009)."


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this ShredBob who comes to the gorge for a month every summer? You sail on Naish sails and all 3 fin boards?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he be the same as you are thinkin.........
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you two know me. Let's not be namin' names here though...then I wouldn't be able to out da man for pollutin' too much without havin' my island visa pulled Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I can say is Shredbob shows up to sail! The guy has no time for talking if the wind is blowing. The Anti-isobars!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

must save vocal cords, for "yahoos !" in swell Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard you sing before, I now wear ear plugs
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL--about the earplugs, not the kiter.

Probably should let this thread be...hope no other shark incidents.
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