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MalibuGuru
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| coboardhead wrote: | | Any proof that throwing more money at the Pentagon does anything for our national security? Works for schools...maybe works for defense! |
There is an optimal amount of money, beyond which waste grows exponentially. You can't throw money at a problem and hope it gets solved. Leadership would be the ingredient that our government lacks.
As for the "Wrench"....the only wrench that can be used to repair our entire nuclear warhead arsenal, this is government at it's most incompetent. Imagine the Soviets firing a 1st volley. The Chinese hacking our systems requiring immediate repair of our defensive nukes......WHERE THE FUCK IS THE WRENCH???? POOF! WE'RE ALL DEAD. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| coboardhead wrote: | | Any proof that throwing more money at the Pentagon does anything for our national security? Works for schools...maybe works for defense! |
You've seen the 60 years of proof that it does not work for schools, as measured by academic performance tests nationwide.
Regarding the benefits to national security of increased spending, the most classic example I can think of in the history of the world is WWII. U.S. citizens took food off their table and stockings off their legs to keep speaking English. Another example is the Strategic Defense Initiative, whose primary goals real time were bluffing the USSR into overspending (check) and identifying the challenges and determining the feasibility of a wide variety of directed energy weapons technologies (check). (The fact that Pete Avizones was unable to fulfill his rash promise to the Congress that he could build an airborne laser weapon prototype in 400 days does nothing to diminish that program.)
But because our usual pattern is to decrease defense spending, it's easier to see the harm in defense cutbacks than to cite specific ROI for increases. Examples of the negative impact of defense cutbacks are in the world headlines every day, including off the top of my head global intelligence collection and analysis, 9/11, ISIS, Benghazi, Carter's gutting of the CIA and intel in across the board, the diminishing technology gap between us and our enemies, the abysmal status of our nuclear deterrence forces, the very alarming and still shrinking size of our military forces who can't even fight two wars now, the advantage of that fact being taken as we type by Russia and China and North Korea, our Navy shrinking as others are growing (China builds 6 to 7 ships for each new one we build), mass firing of our experienced combat middle management troops (i.e., captains and majors) largely to avoid paying them pensions (that is illegal in the private sector) even as they're ducking bullets, our complete vulnerability to EMP and cyberattacks to our power grid which could kill up to 300,000,000 Americans, countless avoidable losses of defense secrets such as the well-known loss of entire technical plans and blueprints of our very newest fighter aircraft and the president's Marine One helicopter, our inability to stand up to such rogue nations as Iran (which has more centrifuges than America has Starbucks), ...
I'm sure I could think of a few hundred more, but they're yours for the Googling if you really want to know. |
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MalibuGuru
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The 1st Republican
“The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance.”
~ Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC |
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pueno
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| stevenbard wrote: | The 1st Republican
“The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance.”
~ Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC |
A recent and very arrogant Republican
"Deficits don't matter."
~ Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney, 2004 AD
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MalibuGuru
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Did I mention that Cheney was a Dick? |
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uwindsurf
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| stevenbard wrote: | | Did I mention that Cheney was a Dick? |
Yes, but he was your Dick. |
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pueno
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| stevenbard wrote: | | Did I mention that Cheney was a Dick? |
That Dick was a conservative dick.
Too bad he's not a dead dick.
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isobars
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| stevenbard wrote: | | Did I mention that Cheney was a Dick? |
That's better than being either political extremist. |
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keycocker
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That quote was from an early conservative, not a Republican.
The GOP does not pursue those policies.
Find us a GOP quote that says stop the president in everything he does no matter the benefits or damage to the people.
Spend tax millions on fake scandals.
Pass the same legislation fifty two times, knowing it means nothing , and pick up your paycheck with a smile from dumb voters.
Shut down the gov. and do billions in damage to small biz as a way of blackmailing the American people in a classic Mob protection racket, then promise to do it again often.
Cruz et al should be in prison for that one. They need to pay compensation to the small biz. victims. |
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isobars
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Now ... right after the midterm elections and two years before the presidential election ... the 30,000 missing and irrecoverable IRS emails show up. Are those darn Democrats lucky or what?
WHAT!
Anyone who thinks that timing is coincidental watches BSNBC. |
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