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pueno



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
I'm outraged at the entire big government, police state, probe up your ass government we have.

Ummm.............. I think Gov. Ultrasound's probe is intended for elsewhere.

And the rest of your concerns are tinfoil hat delusional, Chicken Little.

Still, keep at it -- it's entertaining. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We didn't hear such objections from stevenbard when the probe was up a woman's privates. I guess he's a little squeamish when it happens to men?

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Virginia’s Proposed Ultrasound Law Is an Abomination

By Dahlia Lithwick


This week, the Virginia state Legislature passed a bill that would require women to have an ultrasound before they may have an abortion. Because the great majority of abortions occur during the first 12 weeks, that means most women will be forced to have a transvaginal procedure, in which a probe is inserted into the vagina, and then moved around until an ultrasound image is produced. Since a proposed amendment to the bill—a provision that would have had the patient consent to this bodily intrusion or allowed the physician to opt not to do the vaginal ultrasound—failed on 64-34 vote, the law provides that women seeking an abortion in Virginia will be forcibly penetrated for no medical reason. I am not the first person to note that under any other set of facts, that would constitute rape under the federal definition.*

What’s more, a provision of the law that has received almost no media attention would ensure that a certification by the doctor that the patient either did or didn’t “avail herself of the opportunity” to view the ultrasound or listen to the fetal heartbeat will go into the woman’s medical record. Whether she wants it there or not. I guess they were all out of scarlet letters in Richmond.

So the problem is not just that the woman and her physician (the core relationship protected in Roe) no longer matter at all in deciding whether an abortion is proper. It is that the physician is being commandeered by the state to perform a medically unnecessary procedure upon a woman, despite clear ethical directives to the contrary. (There is no evidence at all that the ultrasound is a medical necessity, and nobody attempted to defend it on those grounds.) As an editorial in the Virginian-Pilot put it recently, “Under any other circumstances, forcing an unwilling person to submit to a vaginal probing would be a violation beyond imagining. Requiring a doctor to commit such an act, especially when medically unnecessary, and to submit to an arbitrary waiting period, is to demand an abrogation of medical ethics, if not common decency.”*


I would think a true conservative would be outraged by this. That's why I call the church dads fake conservatives. Are you reading mrgybe? Right up your ---- flesh tube? Alley? No outrage from them.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:


I would think a true conservative would be outraged by this. That's why I call the church dads fake conservatives. Are you reading mrgybe? Right up your ---- flesh tube? Alley? No outrage from them.


On other forums that I frequent, that would be considered an intentional flame bait, and you'd be booted.
Lucky you're just here.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:

Lucky you're just here.

OMG, look at the latest that Obama caused!!

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A hunter stumbled upon a bizarre sight on a 75,000-acre ranch north of Las Vegas, N.M., on Aug. 27: the remains of more than 100 dead elk. Livestock deaths are not unusual, but so many animals dying off, and doing so in what seems to be under 24 hours, was puzzling to scientists.

Officials with the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish investigated the mysterious elk deaths and ruled out several possible causes for the elk deaths, including poachers, anthrax, lightning strikes, epizootic hemorrhagic disease (an often-fatal virus known to affect deer and other ruminants), botulism, poisonous plants, malicious poisoning and even some sort of industrial or agricultural accident.

The investigation was hampered by the state of the elk: Scavengers, including bears and vultures, ate most of the bodies, with maggots and blowflies helping to reduce the elk herd to an eerie scattered sea of skeletons in the desert. [Spooky! Top 10 Unexplained Phenomena]

"We couldn't find anything [toxic] in their stomachs and no toxic plants on the landscape," said Kerry Mower, a wildlife disease specialist with New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, as quoted by the Santa Fe New Mexican newspaper.

As news spread, some conspiracy-minded folk soon speculated about links to animal mutilations, UFOs or even the dreaded Hispanic vampire el chupacabra.

Through science and further testing of elk tissue samples and water samples, the real killer has finally been found: pond scum. Or, more specifically, a neurotoxin produced by one type of blue-green algae that can develop in warm, standing water.

A bloom of this alga can be devastating to wildlife. "In warm weather, blooms of blue-green algae are not uncommon in farm ponds in temperate regions, particularly ponds enriched with fertilizer," according to a classic toxicology reference book, "Casarett and Doull's Toxicology: The Basic Science of Poisons" (McGraw-Hill Professional, 2013). "Under these conditions, one species of alga, Anabaena flos-aquae, produces a neurotoxin, anatoxin-A, which depolarizes and blocks acetylcholine receptors, causing death in animals that drink the pond water. The lethal effects develop rapidly, with death in minutes to hours from respiratory arrest."

In other words, the elk herd suffocated to death, unable to breathe. And the fast-acting toxin explains the animals' strange, sudden deaths. In this case, the algae appeared not in ponds, but in three fiberglass livestock watering tanks not far from where the elk died. The elk also showed signs they had struggled on the ground, further supporting neurotoxin poisoning.

"Based on circumstantial evidence, the most logical explanation for the elk deaths is that on their way back to the forest after feeding in the grassland, the elk drank water from a trough containing toxins created by blue-green algae or cyanobacteria," Mower said in a statement from the Department of Game and Fish.

The algae-produced neurotoxin is similar to curare, the famous toxin found in poison-tipped arrows used by South American Indian tribes. Though anatoxin-A can be deadly to other animals, including dogs and cattle, reports of human deaths are rare. New Mexico ranchers have been advised to sanitize their livestock tanks to prevent further wildlife deaths.

Benjamin Radford, M. Ed., is deputy editor of "Skeptical Inquirer" science magazine and author of six books.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poor kid. Screw the government and the school who led him to do such a thing.

celebrities can lie too


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW misses the point. No outrage for probing women. Outrage for pointing it out. Gotta laugh.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry Edelson is a long-time career commodities and precious metals guru. He doesn't sell gold, he's neither a gold bull nor a bear, he has a great track record in predicting gold's ebbs and flows, he is driven by economics rather than politics, and the precious metals brokers and IRA houses I've consulted know and respect him and his advice highly. His greatest albatross IMO is his association with Martin Weiss, the epitome of professional, highly commercialized, extremely rich permabears.

Is Edelson right again this time, or has he gone off the deep end? Only time will tell; certainly none of us here knows. But considering that he usually dwells on technical and fundamental market analyses rather than on what some regard as the paranoia Weiss thrives on, maybe he's on to something even though this particular free newsletter of his sounds mighty Beckish.

Here are highlights of a recent free newsletter, FYI. I'm not asking anyone to believe it; it's just fodder for the hopper. OTOH, anyone who claims to know that this or Edelson himself is bogus, yet can't prove either, is doing us all a disservice. PROOF, though, would be valuable to anyone concerned about his economic future.

Excerpts from http://www.swingtradingdaily.com/2013/11/18/who-will-head-the-fed-it-doesnt-matter/ :

Who Will Head the Fed? It Doesn’t Matter
by Larry Edelson on November 18, 2013

Janet Yellen will print more money than ever, buy more bonds than ever. Even purchase distressed real estate, equities, probably even European and other sovereign national debt. ... But based on all of my research, none of it will amount to a hill of beans. Central bank monetary policy will have little or no impact on the markets ... what will matter is politicians in Washington and Brussels, who are getting ready to tax you more and even confiscate large portions of your wealth.

The tipping point was September 2011, when gold failed to respond to the announcement of QEIII and began to crash [as Edelson forecast], and its fate was sealed in March of this year when European Union (EU) finance ministers confiscated the wealth of all deposits above 100,000 euros in Cyprus banks.

Don’t believe me? Then consider the following …

The European Union is now penning a law that would make all deposits above 100,000 euros creditors of the banks, and the European Central Bank favors the bill. If you have money in a bank in the European Union, get it out of there as fast as you can.

Buying gold anywhere in France today is almost impossible. [Even India is highly restricting it.] The EU has passed a financial tax to take effect next year on all stock and bond trades done by any of its citizens worldwide. Poland confiscated bonds held in private pension funds with zero compensation to pension owners. In Washington, proposals are now under way behind closed doors to enact similar depositor “bail-in policies” for U.S. banks. According to a well-placed source, Washington is now preparing contingency plans to confiscate and nationalize IRAs and 401(k)s.

Monetary policy won’t matter much in the future, but the actions our leaders take will. They are out to save their own hides and their desperate bankrupt governments. Not you. [That is, I'm increasingly concerned, is part of the justification for ObamaReid's elimination of the filibuster; it lets Obama run the county almost directly -- as he publicly announced that he wished he could do if he can get past the congressional and constitutional checks and balance system -- via his appointment free hand. He just end ran those constraints to an unprecedented extent.]

The [next several years] will be characterized by rising taxation, confiscation of assets, trade and currency wars, cyber espionage, riots in the streets, civil and international wars. These, not monetary policy, will drive the markets in the years ahead. Think of the American Revolution and no taxation without representation. Think of the French Revolution from 1789 to 1799. Think of the recent Million Mask March in England earlier this year. Think of Occupy Wall Street on steroids and turning against Washington.

I [still Edelson talking] have already moved my email and digital storage offshore, to Swiss-based providers like mykolab.com and wuala.com. I will soon move my money offshore as well. I will seek as much financial privacy as possible, and I will do whatever methods are legally still available to me to preserve and grow my wealth. As leaders in the developed Western world become more authoritarian and move to confiscate wealth, most markets will actually respond very positively. In times of war and potential confiscation, the real bull markets in precious metals truly unfold.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not quite the definition of "credible":

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2006/ia-2525.pdf

...Lawrence Edelson (“Edelson”), age 50, is a resident of Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. He was employed by Weiss Research from 1996 to January 31, 2003, when he became an independent contractor for Weiss Research. Edelson continues to provide copywriting and editorial services to Weiss Research...

...Weiss Research, in promotional materials prepared by Martin Weiss, Edelson, and others, sometimes used selective, outdated, and/or hypothetical examples of specific returns that subscribers might have realized on individual trades had they followed Weiss Research’s
recommendations, without advising that the overall return was or might not be profitable. For example, Weiss Research, in promotional materials disseminated until July 2003, claimed that subscribers “who followed our recommendations scooped up 400% profits,” and also “bagged
profits like 400% ... 39% ... 217% ... 100% ... 374% ... 66% ... 171% ... 222%.” In other advertisements, Edelson told potential subscribers, “I cannot guarantee profits. This is a speculative service for your speculative money. But as you can see from the penny gold shares I’m eyeing right now, it’s not an understatement when I say you could make back the cost of the subscription fee 30...40...even 50 times over.” Because this publication carried a maximum subscription rate of $5,000 per year, this claim indicated that subscribers could profit by as much as $250,000 by following Weiss Research’s recommendations.

The overall performance of Weiss Research’s premium services did not support these profit claims. In fact, during the relevant time period, many subscribers who followed each Weiss Research trading recommendation – as Weiss Research encouraged its subscribers to do – experienced overall returns that were substantially lower than Weiss Research’s profit examples and most actually lost money. Although Weiss Research disclosed to subscribers that losses are possible, it did not include information on specific losing trades or disclose that, for the most
part, its premium services newsletters had not been profitable for subscribers.

Weiss Research maintained internal performance records which noted every trade Weiss Research recommended and the hypothetical profit or loss an investor would have experienced if he or she had followed Weiss Research’s recommendations. Weiss Research did not make these performance records available to subscribers or potential subscribers. These performance records demonstrate that, during the relevant time period, subscribers to most of Weiss Research’s premium services, who followed Weiss Research’s recommendations without deviation, would have lost money. Subscribers to the few profitable services would have
realized overall gains that were well below the profits from individual trades represented in Weiss Research’s advertisements.

Respondent Edelson shall, within twenty (20) days of the entry of this Order, pay disgorgement in the amount of $1.00 and a civil money penalty in the amount of $75,000.00 to the United States Treasury. Such payment shall be: (A) made by United States postal money order, certified check, bank cashier's check or bank money order; (B) made payable to the Securities and Exchange Commission; (C) hand-delivered or mailed
to the Office of Financial Management, Securities and Exchange Commission, Operations Center, 6432 General Green Way, Alexandria, Stop 0-3, VA 22312; and (D) submitted under cover letter that identifies Edelson as a Respondent in these proceedings, the file number of these proceedings, a copy of which cover letter and money order or
check shall be sent to Glenn Gordon, Division of Enforcement, Securities and Exchange Commission, 801 Brickell Avenue, Suite 1800, Miami, Florida 33131
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine that. A right winger relying on suspect sources--without checking. Is that why some refer to them as the new "know nothings?"

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The American party of the 1850s derived its informal name from its members replying, when asked about their role, 'I know nothing.' The party was anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant. It grew out of the Order of the Star-Spangled Banner, a secret society apparently founded in New York City in 1849. In the wake of the collapse of the Whigs and the Democratic split over the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854 and 1855, its supporters won several offices, including mayor of Philadelphia and control of the Massachusetts legislature. Some northern Know-Nothings also sought to cooperate with antislavery forces not yet prepared to join an official Republican party.

When the Know-Nothing party endorsed the Kansas-Nebraska Act at its presidential nominating convention in 1856, northern members bolted. Southern members nominated former president Millard Fillmore of New York for president and Andrew J. Donelson of Tennessee for vice president. Most northern Know-Nothings tenuously supported the Republican candidate, John C. Frémont. Fillmore tried to distance himself from the party's nativist tendencies but carried only Maryland. The Know-Nothing party soon dissolved.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.hark.com/clips/stcglgpcfd-i-know-nothing
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