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mat-ty
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| mac wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: |
No, it's a way to get the NFL felons to respect the true hero's, our military veterans, and their AMERICAN PRIVILEGE. |
bigots always insist they aren't bigoted. There is a Supreme Court decision that holds that nobody is required to stand or salute during the national anthem. Bard and the orange menace are contemptuous of the Constitution and rule of law.
In any event, the protest has to do with police brutality, not the military, and kneeling is a sign of respect. All lost on the lunatics and morons. |
Pants up don't loot.....90% pure bull shit backed by liberal morons. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: |
No, it's a way to get the NFL felons to respect the true hero's, our military veterans, and their AMERICAN PRIVILEGE. |
bigots always insist they aren't bigoted. There is a Supreme Court decision that holds that nobody is required to stand or salute during the national anthem. Bard and the orange menace are contemptuous of the Constitution and rule of law.
In any event, the protest has to do with police brutality, not the military, and kneeling is a sign of respect. All lost on the lunatics and morons. |
Pants up don't loot.....90% pure bull shit backed by liberal morons. |
can you tell us the story of your friends beating up the black guy again, and how much pleasure you got out of it...
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mac
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Matty and others of his ilk are revealed for what they are--fascists. Here is the language of the Supreme Court decision written by Robert Jackson in 1943:
| Quote: | Following are excerpts from the Supreme Court's 1943 decision in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, declaring unconstitutional a state law that required students to salute the American flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Justice Robert H. Jackson wrote the opinion.
Struggles to coerce uniformity of sentiment in support of some end thought essential to their time and country have been waged by many good as well as by evil men. Ultimate futility of such attempts to compel coherence is the lesson of every such effort from the Roman drive to stamp out Christianity as a disturber of its pagan unity, the Inquisition, as a means to religious and dynastic unity, the Siberian exiles as a means to Russian unity, down to the fast failing efforts of our present totalitarian enemies. Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
It seems trite but necessary to say that the First Amendment to our Constitution was designed to avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings. There is no mysticism in the American concept of the state or of the nature or origin of its authority. We set up government by consent of the governed, and the Bill of Rights denies those in power any legal opportunity to coerce that consent.
The case is made difficult not because the principles of its decision are obscure, but because the flag involved is our own. Nevertheless, we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom, to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary, will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds.
We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the state as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.
If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.
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nw30
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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mac, to be called a racist, or a fascist, or a misogynist, or a bigot by you has become an honor, it means that you are becoming somebody who feels that you are surrounded by people that have far less morals than you do, as you ride on your high donkey. In fact, so much so that you sound like that rich, paranoid, liberal, who's making a fool of himself with his current TV ad. That would be Tom Steyer.
Congratulations. |
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mac
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice response to the substantive argument you have been avoiding. As usual. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| nw30 wrote: | mac, to be called a racist, or a fascist, or a misogynist, or a bigot by you has become an honor, it means that you are becoming somebody who feels that you are surrounded by people that have far less morals than you do, as you ride on your high donkey. In fact, so much so that you sound like that rich, paranoid, liberal, who's making a fool of himself with his current TV ad. That would be Tom Steyer.
Congratulations. |
go grab someone's daughter in the pussy you right wing wacko... Such morals... go hop on that neighbor's wife.... and brag about it... go rape that 13 year old at your convicted friend pedophiles home.......
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nw30
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| Dean, have I told you lately how awesome you are? |
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techno900
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mac posted: | Quote: | | If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. |
While I don't disagree with the Supreme Court decision, I wonder how far it goes? "no official, high or petty" - what does that mean? Can business dictate to employees regarding pledges or flag protocol? Or does it just pertain to government agencies (schools, etc.).
In my opinion, NFL players are just entertainers in the employment of private business. I also wonder if military personnel are held to the same standard set by your posted Supreme Court ruling? I don't think so.
No easy answers. |
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mac
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| techno900 wrote: | mac posted: | Quote: | | If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. |
While I don't disagree with the Supreme Court decision, I wonder how far it goes? "no official, high or petty" - what does that mean? Can business dictate to employees regarding pledges or flag protocol? Or does it just pertain to government agencies (schools, etc.).
In my opinion, NFL players are just entertainers in the employment of private business. I also wonder if military personnel are held to the same standard set by your posted Supreme Court ruling? I don't think so.
No easy answers. |
Wrong, there is an easy answer. The first amendment applies to unpopular political views on the right and the left. It applies to the scumbags who invaded Charlottesville and Berkeley, intending only to provoke and cost the public money. It applies equally to the lunatics with the Westboro church--and it applies to peaceful kneeling by NFL players who put their lives and health at risk entertaining fat Americans.
It is alarming, but not surprising that the orange-headed moron and many of the right wingers here are more concerned about NFL players than the KKK rally in Charlottesville, and are willing to censor free speech. Could it have anything to do with the fact that 60% of the players are black? |
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techno900
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You dodged the Military question. Freedom of Speech doesn't go as far as you think. You started this by posting the Supreme Court case.
What about:
| Quote: | Can Bosses Do That? As It Turns Out, Yes They Can
January 29, 201012:00 AM ET
Lewis Maltby, president of the National Workrights Institute
Did you know you could be fired for not removing a political sticker from your car — or even having a beer after work? Lewis Maltby says it's more than possible — it's happened. His new book, Can They Do That? explores rights in the workplace.
As he tells NPR's Ari Shapiro, "Freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment — but only where the government is concerned.
"What most Americans generally don't know is that the Constitution doesn't apply to private corporations at all."
In terms of monitoring its employees, the list of things a corporation can't do is a short one — it's basically confined to eavesdropping on a personal oral conversation, Maltby said. "Anything else is open season." And outside the workplace, personal blogs or social media pages on services like Twitter or Facebook offer no refuge.
Asked if workers can be fired for things they write on those sites, Maltby said, "Absolutely. Happens every day." But not all snooping is meant to be malicious, Maltby said. For instance, a boss who suspects an employee might be about to quit, or is perhaps moonlighting for a competitor, might seek out the worker's personal blog.
The worker might not have been doing any of the things the boss had feared — instead, "your boss sees you blowing off steam about him, takes offense — and you get fired."
And workers have very little legal protection against being fired, said Maltby, who is also the president and founder of the National Workrights Institute.
"I've been getting calls from people for 20 years who've been abused in all sorts of ways," Maltby said. "When I tell them, 'Sorry, you don't have any legal rights,' they literally don't believe me," Maltby said.
Companies need the freedom to run their businesses the way they want — and fire people who are seen as doing a bad job. But, Maltby says, those decisions should be based on legitimate business rationale.
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