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unreal trumps lawyer over his russiagate... decides to put out to the media things about the right wing General Lee and so on. WTF is he doing...
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-lawyer-not-helping-with-pro-confederacy-e-mail-1026394691758
| Quote: | Trump lawyer not helping with pro-Confederacy e-mail
Rachel Maddow shares a new report from The New York Times that Donald Trump's lawyer forwarded an e-mail arguing no difference between Robert E. Lee and George Washington. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:18 am Post subject: |
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were is the right wing media showing this one,,,
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/robert-e-lee-thought-confederate-220734970.html
Here's what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments
| Quote: | The violence that erupted in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend, in which one woman was killed and dozens more injured, stemmed from a protest led by white nationalists over the proposed removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.
Debates about the removal of Confederate statues have been ongoing for years, and opponents of removing the monuments often decry such proposals as an attempt to erase history.
However, "it's often forgotten that Lee himself, after the Civil War, opposed monuments, specifically Confederate war monuments," Jonathan Horn, a Lee biographer, told PBS.
After the Civil War, Lee received several letters requesting support for the erection of Confederate memorials, according to Horn.
In June 1866, he wrote that a monument of one of his best generals, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, wasn't "feasible at this time."
In December of that year, he wrote of another proposed Confederate monument: "As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated, my conviction is, that, however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt, in the present condition of the country, would have the effect of retarding instead of accelerating its accomplishment, and of continuing if not adding to the difficulties under which the Southern people labor."
Not only did Lee oppose Confederate monuments, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.
He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended. He didn't want it flying above Washington College, of which he was president after the war.
"Lee did not want such divisive symbols following him to the grave," Horn wrote. "At his funeral in 1870, flags were notably absent from the procession. Former Confederate soldiers marching did not don their old military uniforms, and neither did the body they buried.
According to Horn, Lee's daughter wrote, "His Confederate uniform would have been 'treason' perhaps!"
"Lee believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker," Horn told PBS. "He was worried that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive." |
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Two former Florida prison guards who were members of the Ku Klux Klan have been convicted of plotting to murder a black inmate after his release.
A Columbia County jury found David Elliot Moran, 49, and Charles Thomas Newcomb, 45, guilty of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, Attorney General Pam Bondi announced on Tuesday.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kkk-members-convicted-plot-kill-172013758.html
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Interesting dichotomy going one here amongst the left, they are obviously not getting their strategies straight.
On one hand we have this ~
Black Lives Matter Activists Float Criminalization of Confederate Imagery
Some radical progressives go beyond statues, suggest total ban on Southern Civil War memorabilia
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/black-lives-matter-activists-float-criminalization-of-confederate-imagery/
If they are so concerned about this imagery, then they should also be concerned about their own imagery.
So, on the flip side of their coin we have this ~
Antifa Protesters Crash Heather Heyer’s Funeral
08/16/2017
A group of antifascist protesters armed with purple shields and bats showed up to the Wednesday funeral of a woman mowed down by a white supremacist who struck her with a vehicle.
Antifa, a collection of left-wing protesters, decided to crash the funeral of Heather Heyer, a white woman who died after a white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of protesters during a white nationalist riot.
The antifascist activists claimed they showed up armed because “the police won’t protect the people,” according to a reporter on the scene.
Heyer died during a white supremacist rally over the potential removal of a Confederate statue of Robert E. Lee. The rally broke out into violence between armed white nationalists and antifa protesters throwing balloons filled with ink and urine and bricks at the white nationalists gathered there.
The line to enter Heyer’s funeral, hosted at the Paramount theater in Charlottesville, reached two blocks.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/antifa-protesters-crash-heather-heyers-funeral/
And you wonder why things aren't going as smoothly as the left would love to believe. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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In germany it is illegal to make nazi salutes... An drunk american tourist was just beat for doing so and several from the orient were arrested and fined. They seem to have a handle on the Nazis... They seemed to have learned. are you saying Monuments of Adolf should go up there. Should we allow the right wing Nazis put up statues of Hitler in the USA?
People here should be concerned Trump has given the green light to the Nazis of the right, even inferring to give racists Presidential Pardons...
Again read above the organizers of the right wing racists said they will kill and use force. Again one says he is happy about the killing of the girl. And again we have trump saying he will Pardon racists...
| nw30 wrote: | Interesting dichotomy going one here amongst the left, they are obviously not getting their strategies straight.
On one hand we have this ~
Black Lives Matter Activists Float Criminalization of Confederate Imagery
Some radical progressives go beyond statues, suggest total ban on Southern Civil War memorabilia
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/black-lives-matter-activists-float-criminalization-of-confederate-imagery/
If they are so concerned about this imagery, then they should also be concerned about their own imagery.
So, on the flip side of their coin we have this ~
Antifa Protesters Crash Heather Heyer’s Funeral
08/16/2017
A group of antifascist protesters armed with purple shields and bats showed up to the Wednesday funeral of a woman mowed down by a white supremacist who struck her with a vehicle.
Antifa, a collection of left-wing protesters, decided to crash the funeral of Heather Heyer, a white woman who died after a white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of protesters during a white nationalist riot.
The antifascist activists claimed they showed up armed because “the police won’t protect the people,” according to a reporter on the scene.
Heyer died during a white supremacist rally over the potential removal of a Confederate statue of Robert E. Lee. The rally broke out into violence between armed white nationalists and antifa protesters throwing balloons filled with ink and urine and bricks at the white nationalists gathered there.
The line to enter Heyer’s funeral, hosted at the Paramount theater in Charlottesville, reached two blocks.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/antifa-protesters-crash-heather-heyers-funeral/
And you wonder why things aren't going as smoothly as the left would love to believe. |
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/stonewall_jackson_s_grandsons_the_monuments_must_go.html
The Monuments Must Go
An open letter from the great-great-grandsons of Stonewall Jackson.
| Quote: | Dear Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney and members of the Monument Avenue Commission,
We are native Richmonders and also the great-great-grandsons of Stonewall Jackson. As two of the closest living relatives to Stonewall, we are writing today to ask for the removal of his statue, as well as the removal of all Confederate statues from Monument Avenue. They are overt symbols of racism and white supremacy, and the time is long overdue for them to depart from public display. Overnight, Baltimore has seen fit to take this action. Richmond should, too.
In making this request, we wish to express our respect and admiration for Mayor Stoney’s leadership while also strongly disagreeing with his claim that “removal of symbols does [nothing] for telling the actual truth [nor] changes the state and culture of racism in this country today.” In our view, the removal of the Jackson statue and others will necessarily further difficult conversations about racial justice. It will begin to tell the truth of us all coming to our senses.
Last weekend, Charlottesville showed us unequivocally that Confederate statues offer pre-existing iconography for racists. The people who descended on Charlottesville last weekend were there to make a naked show of force for white supremacy. To them, the Robert E. Lee statue is a clear symbol of their hateful ideology. The Confederate statues on Monument Avenue are, too—especially Jackson, who faces north, supposedly as if to continue the fight.
We are writing to say that we understand justice very differently from our grandfather’s grandfather, and we wish to make it clear his statue does not represent us.
Through our upbringing and education, we have learned much about Stonewall Jackson. We have learned about his reluctance to fight and his teaching of Sunday School to enslaved peoples in Lexington, Virginia, a potentially criminal activity at the time. We have learned how thoughtful and loving he was toward his family. But we cannot ignore his decision to own slaves, his decision to go to war for the Confederacy, and, ultimately, the fact that he was a white man fighting on the side of white supremacy.
While we are not ashamed of our great-great-grandfather, we are ashamed to benefit from white supremacy while our black family and friends suffer. We are ashamed of the monument.
In fact, instead of lauding Jackson’s violence, we choose to celebrate Stonewall’s sister—our great-great-grandaunt—Laura Jackson Arnold. As an adult Laura became a staunch Unionist and abolitionist. Though she and Stonewall were incredibly close through childhood, she never spoke to Stonewall after his decision to support the Confederacy. We choose to stand on the right side of history with Laura Jackson Arnold.
We are ashamed to benefit from white supremacy while our black family and friends suffer. We are ashamed of the monument.
Confederate monuments like the Jackson statue were never intended as benign symbols. Rather, they were the clearly articulated artwork of white supremacy. Among many examples, we can see this plainly if we look at the dedication of a Confederate statue at the University of North Carolina, in which a speaker proclaimed that the Confederate soldier “saved the very life of the Anglo-Saxon race in the South.” Disturbingly, he went on to recount a tale of performing the “pleasing duty” of “horse whipping” a black woman in front of federal soldiers. All over the South, this grotesque message is conveyed by similar monuments. As importantly, this message is clear to today’s avowed white supremacists.
There is also historical evidence that the statues on Monument Avenue were rejected by black Richmonders at the time of their construction. In the 1870s, John Mitchell, a black city councilman, called the monuments a tribute to “blood and treason” and voiced strong opposition to the use of public funds for building them. Speaking about the Lee Memorial, he vowed that there would come a time when African Americans would “be there to take it down.”
Ongoing racial disparities in incarceration, educational attainment, police brutality, hiring practices, access to health care, and, perhaps most starkly, wealth, make it clear that these monuments do not stand somehow outside of history. Racism and white supremacy, which undoubtedly continue today, are neither natural nor inevitable. Rather, they were created in order to justify the unjustifiable, in particular slavery.
What a superbly written letter, which should be printed on the front page of every newspaper in the country. These two gentlemen and educators should be asked to speak on this topic on every news media outlet in the country.
One thing that bonds our extended family, besides our common ancestor, is that many have worked, often as clergy and as educators, for justice in their communities. While we do not purport to speak for all of Stonewall’s kin, our sense of justice leads us to believe that removing the Stonewall statue and other monuments should be part of a larger project of actively mending the racial disparities that hundreds of years of white supremacy have wrought. We hope other descendants of Confederate generals will stand with us.
As cities all over the South are realizing now, we are not in need of added context. We are in need of a new context—one in which the statues have been taken down.
Respectfully,
William Jackson Christian
Warren Edmund Christian
Great-great-grandsons of Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:41 am Post subject: |
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this is very clear the right wingers on this forum at ever place they can are with and supporting the Nazi KKK just like Trump is. The Nazis and KKK hear you and thank you racists...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-supremacists-cheer-trumps-evolving-response-charlottesville-132243420.html
White supremacists cheer Trump's evolving response to Charlottesville
| Quote: | “He uses our talking points — that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are next after the Confederate monuments and that they’re trying to destroy our history,” he wrote.
Anglin’s post included a series of epithets aimed at Jews and fellow white nationalists who don’t support Trump.
“This man is doing absolutely everything in his power to back us up and we need to have his back,” Anglin said of Trump.
Pastor Thomas Robb, a Klan leader who heads his own church and a political organization called the Knights Party, also said he wasn’t concerned about Trump’s Monday condemnation of white supremacists.
“It doesn’t bother me at all for two reasons. One is, I know he is under pressure,” Robb told Yahoo News on Thursday. “Then also, it doesn’t bother me because I’m not under any misconception. I’m quite aware that Donald Trump isn’t a white nationalist.”
Even though Robb doesn’t believe he has a fellow traveler in the White House, he cited Trump’s economic nationalism and hard line on immigration as reasons for support the president.
“Overall, I like Trump’s policies. I like his nationalistic views,” Robb said.
Robb also repeatedly praised Trump’s use of the slogan “America First,” which was previously employed by American groups that opposed the country’s entry into World War II. The “America First” organizations of the 1930s and early 1940s were widely viewed as anti-Semitic.
“I like the fact that he wants to put America first. That was a campaign slogan,” explained Robb. “When he said ‘America First,’ some people bristled [about] that comment because it hearkened back in their minds to the Silver Shirts [an American Nazi group] of the 1930s.”
Though Robb was not in Charlottesville, he said, “Some of the people that attend our church went.” He was pleased with Trump’s Tuesday press conference, in which the president essentially said, according to Robb, “There’s good people in the white nationalist movement.”
“I don’t know that he was trying to send a signal to anybody, but the comment is true,” Robb said of Trump. |
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| Tucker Carlson? You can't be serious. |
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