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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

100 (British) Muslim leaders, Imans, Muslim Organisation, community leaders, published a joint statement in the Independent newspaper in condemnation of the monstrous savagery being committed in the name of Islam.

Quotes include, 'worst comdemnable sin against Islam', 'senseless kidnappings and threats to hostages which cannot be justified by the Koran', acts of humanitarianism essential practice for all Muslims'.

As the Mail states, 'we salute the statesmanlike intervention from a body that represents the great majority of decent Muslims (in Britain)'.

They add a sting - 'it comes not a day too soon!' (To which we non Mulims say, hear hear!.)

P.S. Scotland chose not to commit suicide.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker said:
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Techno, when Christians were killing each other in Ireland, as a good Christian did you apologize? Or did it have nothing to do with you?
Did you see no reason to criticize murdering radical Christians? Is that also a scary thought?


There has always been sectarian violence throughout history with one faction trying to wipe out the other. In Ireland, it was not a global issue and if I did some research, I would guess I would find that there were plenty of Christians throughout the world calling for the fighting to stop. The goals in Ireland were a little bit different than what ISIS has stated it wants to do. Also, The Christian faith worldwide and the bible weren't being questioned like Islam and the Quran is being questioned today.

I just hope we don't allow our over zealous pursuit of political correctness to sink our ship.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "troubles" in Ireland were nothing to do with "radical Christians" violently engaging each other in order to impose their version of religion on the other. It was a civil rights conflict rooted in Protestant Scottish and English settlers confiscating lands from Irish Catholics. Drawing parallels between that situation and radical Islamic terrorism, or the current activities of ISIS, reveals a need for greater understanding of history.
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mac



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too funny. Mrgybe thinks that a battle over confiscated land, waged under the aegis of a religious battle between poor Catholics and Protestants, has no lessons to teach us about the Middle East. Maybe he should study history.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than paraphrasing what I said, and proclaiming it to be "too funny", perhaps the History major can educate us all as to why it was too funny. This link to Wikipedia will help http://www.wikipedia.org/
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mac



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, how we sometimes pretend we didn't write what we wrote:

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settlers confiscating lands


Certainly that isn't in the background of the Middle East issues, and anyone that would suggest so just doesn't have my wealth of experience extracting resources!
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nw30



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's "too funny" is anyone who would think that ISIS is all about gaining confiscated land and nothing else.
What no death to the infidels, where ever they live?
Sorry it's not that simple.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The important part that is exactly the same is murdering religious zealots.
You can call them differently in each circumstance but the key point here is the responsibility of any of the other millions of folks who adhere to that religion or group.
Christians do not owe us an apology.
Neither do Muslims.
Murderers by definition are not Christians or Muslims. Those religions forbid it.
Calling the Koran into question?
The Bible has been called into question by millions of people for centuries, but you weren't there during the discussions. I have been.

There are dreadful statements in the Old Testament encouraging rape and genocide. There is nothing in the Koran to compare.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Oh, how we sometimes pretend we didn't write what we wrote:

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settlers confiscating lands


Certainly that isn't in the background of the Middle East issues, and anyone that would suggest so just doesn't have my wealth of experience extracting resources!

Weak response. Irish Catholics and protestants were not fighting each other, (and the UK), in the name of Christ. It was a loyalist vs Republican conflict. They were fighting in the name of political power. The Catholic/ Protestant divide was an accident of history, not of religion. ISIS and Islamic radicals make no apology for fighting in the name of Allah. The two situations are not comparable despite your attempts, and those from Maui, to make them so.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weak objection. Strong men often cloak their ambitions in religious terms--and act in deeply irreligious ways. True of the Paisley wing of the Prots, the IRA, and extremists in the Middle East. If you don't understand the religious aspects of the troubles, you have absorbed entirely the ethos of the occupying army.

I think you are just being obtuse about the Israeli confiscation of land. Speak no evil of fellow conservatives and all that. Very weak.
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