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outhaul



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: tips wanted for faster jibing longboard-no straps Reply with quote

I'd like to speed up my jibes on my Exocet 11'8 no foot straps. Typical conditions, 15-20 mph, 8.5m, swell. I'm doing ok but would like to shorten the process (the jibe) if possible.
No dagger and board planing upon entry.


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techno900



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shorten the process?

Of learning, the radius of the turn, or the speed of the board during the turn?

The radius of the turn is dependent on speed, the faster you go the larger the radius, assuming you are planning.

Learning to gybe a long board just take repetition. The technique for planing and sub-planing is very different. Gybing with or without the dagger board also requires a huge variation in technique.

Tells us more about your goals and skill.
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konajoe



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He already said planing with no centerboard....

There's more drag with the bigger boards. Reduce the total arc of the jibe by heading deeper downwind before initiating the jibe.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pulled off a 2-part jibe on my Kona One, once. I went in planing, but didn't have enough speed so I turned it into a snap jibe, where you step way back and pivot the board with the sail. Have only done this once, but it worked amazingly well, and would be worth developing, IMHO.

Off-subject, but have you noticed how the auto-correct on this forum changes "planing" to "planning"? On iWindsurf! Funny!

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scargo



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure I can give you any advice, but perhaps some reassurance/encouragement. Practicing on my Kona One with an 8.5 (often not using the footstaps) several years ago really helped me wire my jibes. Some people say it's easier to learn to plane out on a smaller board, but I found that the larger arc helped me get the steps dialed in, because everything happens more slowly. Obviously, you need to have good speed heading into the turn, but if you do, the heaviness of the board will carry you around, so long as you are careful not to stomp around on the deck.
When not in the straps, I recall my front foot being fairly close to the mast step, so definitely don't hang out on the back of the board.
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jingebritsen



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'e been most successful in lighter winds to stronger to take advantage of the 11'8's planing and gliding power when doing a planing jibe.

much like short wide, the extra planing surface without power becomes an extra drag. what giveth taketh away.... i tend to reduce the radius of my jibes with either long and wide or short. duck jibes facilitate this the best. i tend to duck when i'm in the lightest of planing conditions.

interestingly, the kona one behaves more like an older style long board if the plane is lost during a jibe. one has to recognize this, and shift from inside rail pressure to outside. this does not happen as readily with the 11'8. a bit more rocker, perhaps? less drag from a lower step from planing tail to slogging tail? dunno. it just does.

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isobars



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Learning to gybe a long board just take repetition.

That's what I figured, until I got a powerful tip from a windsurfing book called "Narcotics Anonymous" in 1981; "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results." I then got PISSED, LAID INTO the rail, and finally started getting that longboard to plane clear 'round the bend into the new reach (or, if I lacked speed, just plow to a stop downwind). Commitment and speed separated the former result from the latter.

The rest was persuading the rig to follow suit.
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