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theq



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: The obstructionist party, GOP, being flushed out? Healthcare Reply with quote

I'm just curious as to why the Republicans in Congress are so afraid to talk about health care improvement in public? After all, they are the experts in such things, aren't they? I mean, we can't forget all of the health care overhaul debates that were being pressed by all of the Republican administrations, led Congresses, etc., over the past 50 years. Oh, that must have been in that bizzaro world, parallel universe. The health-care debate only takes place when started by Democrats. It was Ted Kennedy's signature issue. Which Republican pushed for insurance reform, and had health-care improvement in America as their signature issue? Right, none.

Today, of course, the Republicans are experts on revamping health care. They must have been formulating their ideas in the dark somewhere, and were just waiting for the right time to save everyday Americans. Confused

The GOP now wants to "start from scratch", tossing the dreaded 2,700 page legislation that almost made it through Congress. No, don't keep any of what probably cost tens of millions of dollars to formulate and draft, and surely contains some good ideas that the GOP can live with. That's fiscal responsibility. Rolling Eyes Apparently, the Republicans are afraid that they'll be exposed as the pure obstructionists that they are, and have few, if any, ideas of their own. Unless of course, again, they've been planning on health-care reform over the past 50 years, and are on the verge of perfecting it. In which case I say, "Lay it on me". Show the Americans why you've stalled, and obstructed everything that this President has tried to do. O.K., so not everything. You went along with the warring stuff. Hell, that's innate. Even the "party of no" couldn't say "no" to money to the military industrial complex.

Anyway, what are the Republicans afraid of with a public discussion on health-care? My guess is that they've got nothing to add to the debate, as they've spent all of their energy obstructing, and have nothing constructive to add to the debate. But, I'm all ears. Surprise me.

No, I think what it all comes down to is this: The GOP wants to start from scratch because they ARE actually starting from scratch.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post Q-man, Big Insurance has spent millions fighting health care reform and that money has gone right into the pockets of those fighting new legislation. But you knew that already. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The obstructionist party, GOP, being flushed out? Healthcare Reply with quote

theq wrote:
I'm just curious as to why the Republicans in Congress are so afraid to talk about health care improvement in public?


Hang on.......wasn't it President Obama who refused C-Span's request to cover the heath care negotiations live......contrary to his campaign pledge?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: The obstructionist party, GOP, being flushed out? Healthcare Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
theq wrote:
I'm just curious as to why the Republicans in Congress are so afraid to talk about health care improvement in public?


Hang on.......wasn't it President Obama who refused C-Span's request to cover the heath care negotiations live......contrary to his campaign pledge?

The real answer is HSA's. W passed the HSA, a brilliant concept, hurray for W. BUT Now the WLP-UNH-AET contingent views the HSA as enemy No. 1, and will make sure the HSA will not return to its position on the front burner ,anytime soon. The Health Savings Account gives a person a chance to be self insured, which would bankrupt the insurers at some point. Dems want no part because poor people cannot afford to contribute to a plan. So NO, the Repub Congress will not talk Healthcare, because as Ann Coulter says , if sinle payer passes, it would be the end of the Republican PArty for a generation. So the only choice is that of obstructionist.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: The obstructionist party, GOP, being flushed out? Healthcare Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
The real answer is HSA's. W passed the HSA, a brilliant concept, hurray for W. BUT Now the WLP-UNH-AET contingent views the HSA as enemy No. 1.........as Ann Coulter says.......


Damn you've got some good acronyms!!!.......and I am in awe of your quotations.......Larry Flynt, Ann Coulter.......can't wait for the Jeffrey Dahmer one liners!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would that "obstructionist" party be the party that:
Obstructed CSPAN from broadcasting the health care bill debates and finalization?
Obstructed the minority party's many health care proposals from consideration?
Obstructed tort reform?
Obstructed interstate competition by insurance providers, which would reduce premium costs?
Obstructed the voice of the 61% of voters who reject Obamacare
( http://tinyurl.com/yzdakp7 )?
Obstructed the bills' (plural) viewing by Congress and the public until it was too late to read it before voting on it?

Or would it be the party that:
Obstructed socialized medicine?
Obstructed multiple violations of the Constitution?
Obstructed the illegal law requiring every citizen to buy something ... ANYthing (auto insurance is an entirely different beast)?
Obstructed the destruction of the U.S economy AND its health care system?
Obstructed a health care system that will increase premiums by 53% at the very least?
Obstructed a system proven in Canada and the U.K. to fail?
Obstructed the decimation of medical research in the U.S.?
Obstructed the theft of $435 BILLION from seniors who paid it to provide their Medicare?
Obstructed the significant decrease in care for seniors or anyone else needing unusually expensive treatments?
Obstructed the concealment of the $250 BILLION "Doctor Fix" bill from Obamacare's cost.
Obstructed the refusal of hundreds of thousands MORE doctors to refuse Medicare patients due to even more ridiculous reimbursement?
Obstructed the passage of a bill no one had been allowed to read?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good health care is whatever benefits Isobars. Socialism is whatever benefits anyone else. So well argued Mike.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Good health care is whatever benefits Isobars. Socialism is whatever benefits anyone else. So well argued Mike.


We're all crazy for supporting anything that Mike has not personally benefited from. Shocked

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it, Republicans really don't want healthcare reform. The "let's start over from scratch" position is simply a way to stall any meaningful progress. The very few, rather insignificant ideas that they have been kicking around lately like tort reform and interstate competition are only being voiced because they couldn't come to the party entirely empty handed. However, if Obama and the Democrats in Congress weren't forcing the issue of healthcare reform, the Republicans wouldn't be anywhere close to championing such an important cause.

Now, regarding all the accusations blaming Obama for not requiring Congress to broadcast the healthcare debate on CSPAN, can Obama actually demand it? I don't think so. The Legislative Branch of government, like the Executive and Judicial Branches, are separate and they clearly retain a great deal of independence in the business they conduct and how they do it. There are important checks and balances between the branches of government for good reasons, but I believe in this instance, all the Obama Administration could do is request transparency.

Would broadcasting healthcare reform to the American public on CSPAN really make a difference? While healthcare reform is an interesting and very complex topic, I seriously doubt that it would make a difference in the way the Republicans and tea partiers view meaningful healthcare reform. Why is that? In my opinion it's all about requiring folks to buy healthcare, and that's simply a "no go" with Republicans and tea partiers. They consider a requirement to buy healthcare coverage to be a tax, and we all know that goes completely against the grain. That's why the Bush Administration didn't propose or require a tax surcharge to pay for our two wars in the Middle East. If they had, the Republicans and the conservative American public would have screamed bloody murder and it would have seriously affected the needed base of support for the wars.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
The way I see it, Republicans really don't want healthcare reform...


The only reform they will support is one that does not cut into the massive (WLP 2.7 billion last qtr) profits experienced by big insurance which is basically no reform at all.

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