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Is our country becoming a 3rd world nation?
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spoken like guy who rides around in foreign countries in a airconditioned staff car for oil consultants. We would look in at you guys in those foreign devil compounds and wonder how far from the real world that kept you guys.
Your post reflects that isolation.
I lived in Belize for thirty two years, avoiding tourists like yourself who came for a year or two and considered themselves to know it all from their second month because they spent their time with foreign exploiters of the local people like us.
Did you speak the language or not need it since all your friends were foreign oil execs and their syncophants?
You guys were held in contempt by the locals weren't you?but you didn't know or even care right?
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rigitrite



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, America is not becoming a 3rd world country, but nice try on the panic button. So, you think the 80's were so great??? What if you were a farmer? Kinda sucked huh? Pretty great to be a farmer now though (record prices for grain, cattle, etc...). How about oil & gas? The 80's saw a HUGE collapse of domestic oil industry. I remember how the mid-west and Texas saw many many independant oil producers go out of business. Different story now, eh? In addition, we're paying the lowest taxes that any of us have ever known, lower than under Regan, that's for sure.
In fact, things are going so well, that politicians are openly advocating HIGHER taxes and still winning elections!
Suggesting that we're looking at impending doom is simply propaganda; sorry, no sale.

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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The price for farmland has tripled in the last 5 years. Investors are buying hard assets to protect themselves from this Fed bubble. Inflation in food and oil would be starving people if it weren't for disability checks, welfare, and free housing.

This will end badly because there is not enough "rich peoples" money to pay for it all. The Fed is buying $85 billion in mortgages per month. Can't even begin to tell you how bad this will end....

As for oil, it is already heavily taxed. I say keep taxing it. make gas $10 per gallon. That will really seal the deal.
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beaglebuddy



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The price of farmland has tripled in large part because of government subsidized GMO king corn and ethanol.
Federal taxes may seem low but when you add in thru the roof state taxes and even county and local taxes it's not that way.
This flat tax, fair tax, consumption tax talk is a nonstarter, it involves people on the lower end of the economy who now pay no taxes to start paying their fair share, never gonna happen.
The problem with the third world is the ingrained corruption that permeates every aspect of their lives and economy. Everything requires some degree of payoff. As we let these third world types into our country they bring this corruption with them. I've seen it firsthand. America may seem corrupt but in reality we are among the most honest, for now at least.
As the third world invades our country, we are of course becoming the third world. Mad
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree on corn, and add money printing and you have the road to hell.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beaglebuddy wrote:
This flat tax, fair tax, consumption tax talk is a nonstarter, it involves people on the lower end of the economy who now pay no taxes to start paying their fair share

That's just one of hundreds of opposition-generated lies about the Fair Tax. In fact, it sends lower income people a fat check each month to generously replace the sales taxes they would pay on necessities.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Them corrupt immigrants are stinking the place up real bad, huh?
My great grandad was an immigrant. So is my wife.
So were the family of everyone here at some point.
Maybe you should take that over to the Aryan site.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker wrote:
Spoken like guy who rides around in foreign countries in a airconditioned staff car for oil consultants. We would look in at you guys in those foreign devil compounds and wonder how far from the real world that kept you guys.
Your post reflects that isolation.
I lived in Belize for thirty two years, avoiding tourists like yourself who came for a year or two and considered themselves to know it all from their second month because they spent their time with foreign exploiters of the local people like us.
Did you speak the language or not need it since all your friends were foreign oil execs and their syncophants?
You guys were held in contempt by the locals weren't you?but you didn't know or even care right?

Your anger deserves the same credence as that of those who are calling you "haole" behind your back in Maui. Never lived in a compound.....devil or otherwise. And, yes, I did speak the language.
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mac



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes in the face of overwhelming arrogance from the right, the best response is to enjoy the irony. Mrgybe's latest is beyond arrogance and funny as can be:

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Spoken like a tourist. Those of us who have actually lived in Africa know that the story is entirely different. For example. Nigeria, the most populous nation in Africa, levies an 85% tax rate on oil and gas companies. Government corruption magically makes that revenue disappear (primarily to Switzerland). To equate the tax regimes, and the use of tax revenues in 3rd world countries, with the situation in the US, is naive.


Mrgybe is correct, the raw materials game in Africa is rife with corruption, not merely in oil, but in gems and other minerals. Of course few of the neo-imperialistic businesses that exploit raw resources in Africa have invested in substantial African manufacturing and/or refining that would build a technical, managerial, and skilled blue collar work force. But it is all the fault of corrupt government, and all governments, in the eyes of those who must deal with corrupt officals, is therefore corrupt.

Mrgybe and his industry take no responsibility for the inherent corruption in either the solicitation of leases, or the flow of money. Indeed, they cooperate with American foreign policy to favor strong men that will work with American corporations for resource exploitation. And I'm sure that the Africans like mrgybe's condescending sneering just as much as those on this forum that he is too important to actually reason with. What a prick.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac, don't you think the natural tendency in governments is to lean toward corruption? I believe our govt by its own weight has become corrupt. Maybe you can't name an individual like John Corzine, but I mean systematically corrupt. Let's put it this way, some corporations are the size of countries, but the amount of money that our government controls is millions of times most corporations, so the tendency toward corruption is exponential.
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