Gun Nuts

wynsurfer · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 940

Thank you mac! Anyone used to be able to buy dynamite until a disgrunteled school treasurer blew up the Bath consolidated School in Bath Michigan in May of 1927, killing 38 school children an 6 adults. Google" Bath school disaster" for more details.

mac · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:07 pm Post subject:

The gun nuts and the wing nuts are in a state of denial, repeatedly claiming that it is the messenger, not the message that gives them headaches. Not so, it is the message and the acts of the Republicans that are repugnant. One of the best articles I've seen on the money behind gun politics is here: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/whos-profiting-from-oaklands-gun-violence/Content?oid=3467897

I will summarize the ways in which the Re-thugs have been the whore for the gun industry:

1. In 2003 Congress, at the urging of the gun industry, based the first of amendments called the Tiahrt amendments, that blocked public access to the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms) data base. You can get the NRA's take on how reasonable this is here: http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/tiahrt.aspx This allows unschooled and unscrupulous gun nuts (and those like Iso who seem to have forgotten everything he was taught about statistics in engineering school) to argue anecdotally that guns increase safety, because allowing people to do research on actual data is prohibited.

2. In 2006 Congress changed the authorization for ATF to require Senate confirmation of the director of the ATF, assuring a compliant director who would not rock the boat on gun violence.

3. The gun industry enjoys nearly unique insulation from product liability laws, thanks to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act of 2005. Big surprise, it was drafted by lobbyists for the gun industry.

4. The gun industry also ensures that Universities that do research on gun violence are punished--in June 1996, the House Appropriations Commitee cut over $2 million from the budget of the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control. Just coincidentally the amount they had spent on firearms research.

Many of you already know about the gun show loophole, and you can read for yourself the amount of money that arms manufactures spend on lobbying and the NRA. License indeed. The NRA is nothing more than a shill--mrgybe would claim stooge--for arms profiteers.

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

mac said:

pueno · Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

pueno, either you missed the point or just choose to ignore it, but I would expect nothing less.

I am not overly concerned about tyranny in the US for two reasons. The public would not tolerate it and would fight with all its might, plus if anyone in government was thinking that way, they know it would not be successful. I also believe that if there was ever a left wing movement toward pure socialism, the military would stand with the right if there was widespread rebellion.

This of course is all fantasy and nothing is going to happen, but one big reason is the second amendment.

pueno · Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807

mac · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:27 pm Post subject:

Santayana was absolutely correct. The second amendment was part of a bill of rights that was necessary to assure ratification of the Constitution. At that time the Federal government was very weak, and the individual states did fear tyranny from a stronger central government. So the amendment, in clear language that has been tortured by the current right-wing Supreme Court, calls for strong state militias. Arguments for gun ownership at the time involved annual training by State militias.

Now the Federal government has the largest army in the world, and polices the whole world. It is a fantasy by the wing nuts to think that anything short of tanks would represent the force necessary to stop military tyranny. Instead, the limitations to tyranny are political--most significantly the turn over of the presidency at least every 8 years.

A little knowledge and paranoia gets these wing nuts into some strange corners.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

nw30 · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:36 pm Post subject:

All this talk about the 2nd amendment, and what it really means.
But there is something going on out there that I find curious.

For starters,
Vets recieving letters from the VA stating that they can't purchase firearms, humm?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/shock-report-veterans-receive-letters-from-va-prohibiting-ownership-or-purchase-of-firearms/

And this, ammo prices have more than doubled, humm?
http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/ammo-prices-have-doubled-december-americas-largest-gun-shop

And this, why are the Feds buying up so much ammo, humm?
http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/020813-643707-obama-homeland-security-vast-ammunition-purchases.htm

http://crisisboom.com/2012/03/23/feds-buying-up-all-surplus-ammo/

Nothing like this has happened before.
Just sayin'.
Are the Feds the real gun nuts?

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

I have no doubt that isobars has a lifetime supply of high capacity magazines, to include an ammo cache that could withstand a small army. Given his keen interest in protection, to include all this recent weapons training, I can imagine him ever ready to tangle like a pro. I wonder if he has extra guns stored in his vehicles so he doesn't have to wear a jacket to conceal his piece to and from the car.