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NickB



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
"providing" (aka "mandating")


I guess in a world where "providing" is also known as "mandating", and were education = marxism, Iso's words would make sense? Oh wait, TR and Fox, that's right...
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NickB



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

re: OT (gun nuts)

What’s ‘Joe the Plumber’ up to these days?
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pueno



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickB wrote:
re: OT (gun nuts)

What’s ‘Joe the Plumber’ up to these days?

John McCain elevated two useless, know-nothing, do-nothing morons to the public stage -- and neither will go away, sorta like herpes.

The comments were the best part of that article.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe the plumber is a real genius! Let's just give one of these thing to anyone, no questions asked! Moron!
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slinky



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palin/ plumber 2016!! Go GOP!!!!!!!!!!!!
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pueno



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slinky wrote:
Palin/ plumber 2016!! Go GOP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who's the plunger and who's the plungee?
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas

Now we're talking...
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That movement is facing some serious hurdles. It is based on the idea that the public, which includes all criminals should be at least as well armed as the police and we are happy to lose money to make that happen.
Outside the bubble, residents of the real world support weapon control 100%.
Bazookas, antiaircraft batteries, does the 2nd give us a right to any weapons?
The arbitrary lines were drawn by marketing strategies by gun makers through their marketing dept called the NRA. It is in the nature of marketing that to sell more weapons you need to keep moving the line toward legalizing more miltary hardware for public sale.
Bard, Coboard and others have made the good point that limiting imports of assault rifles won't reduce the killing much.
It just pushes back against the direction this marketing is going.
What is next? Police depts stop providing law enforcement to gunshops who sell guns that cops can't buy? Gun makers form their own warlord militias to take the place of police in the area of their factories and stores?
Afghanistan is like that already. It is NRA heaven.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/firearms-companies-restricting-sales-government-agencies-areas

Now we're talking...

The "you need us more than we need you" mentality is bound to hurt the little guy in the long run.

In this case, the little guy is the manufacturer. Consider the impact of this on employment when the manufacturer must cut its workforce because of reduced sales.

What will the stockholders say about dwindling sales that result from management and Board ideologies (e.g., stupidity)? Answer: They'll dump the stock, further devaluing the company.

But the buyer will find all the needed products supplied by willing and enthusiastic competitors, some of them overseas.

Yes, now we're talking... Free market principles at work. Free market principles at work against the very fruitcakes who loudly proclaim "free market, free market."
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Your story was published by CNSNews., which asks for a donation at the bottom of the piece.

According to Wikipedia, "CNSNews.com was founded by L. Brent Bozell III on June 16, 1998, under the name Conservative News Service and the domain name conservativenews.org. According to Bozell, the website would 'report news ...not touched by traditional television news outlets...'"

The CNSNews motto is "The Right News. Right now," which has an obvious double meaning. Bozell is an uber-right conservative activist. Is he credible? Not much.

It never hurts to research your sources in order to first establish your credibility if you want to be taken seriously.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what guns mean in an urban context. Recognize that the urban and rural context for guns are very different, and we need to develop solutions that reflect that difference, and respect the needs of the two communities. In Oakland, California, there were 4,600 incidents of gunshots fired in 2012. It is fortunate that only 91 people were killed, but the toll of the violence is apalling, with 681 non-fatal shootings. My source for this is the East Bay Express for the February 20-26 week, but see also: http://oaklandnorth.net/2012/12/17/analyzing-gun-violence-in-oakland/ While the drug trade is the leading cause of violence, the cultural barriers to avenging even the slightest insult with a gunshot are astonishingly low. And the by-kill of the innocent seems to be unremarkable to the gun nuts.

There is no question that the ready availability of guns is part of the root causes of this violence. Guns are easily available because of the gun show loophole and the budget cuts and Republican-initiated laws that minimize penalties for illegal trafficking. But good old-fashioned corporate greed and malfeasance, carried out by their lobbyists at the NRA, are front and center in the root causes. The Smith and Wesson Factory in Springfield, Massachusetts, produced 800,000 guns in 2011. And the most glaring example of the scoff-law attitude of the gun manufacturers is the conviction of Paul Jannusso, former general counsel of Glock, for embezzlement, along with the implcation of Gaston Glock in evading $100 million in taxes. (Source: Paul Barrett, "Glock, the Rise of the American Gun."

Ownership of guns by non-felons is protected under the Second Amendment. But that amendment's genesis was the technology of 1791, when it took 20 seconds to reload. Now it takes 20 seconds to fire a full 50 rounds from a semi-automatic pistol. Claiming the right to own guns without regulations that would provide for some balance and account for the impacts on others is not liberty, it is license.
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