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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
You can talk about Bush or "Ronnie Ray-gun" all you want, but you'd be well advised to not bring up Jimmy Carter.
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Jimmy Carter blocked Iran's immigrants

The actions of former U.S. President Jimmy Carter against Iranian immigrants may also serve as a historical example. A book called “Iranians in Texas: Migration, Politics, and Ethnic Identity” explained what happened.

“The expulsion of Iranian diplomats and military trainees from the United States was one element of the four-part program announced by Carter for applying pressure on Iran. The other parts of the program included new trade sanctions against Iran, a freeze of all Iranian government assets in the United States, tighter restrictions on visa for Iranians desiring to come to the United States, and revocation of visas for Iranian who had already enter the country…. Under Carter’s new visa program, no Iranian was allowed to enter the United States except in the cases of major medical emergencies or political asylum. Because of Carter’s order, U.S. airlines in London began refusing to allow Iranians to board planes bound for the United States. The new visa program was partly a response to alleged fear of Iranian terrorists entering the United States.”

A Washington Post report dated from 1980 said that the Carter would only revalidate visa issued to Iranians based upon “compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest requires.” In clarifying this statement, the Carter administration’s State Department said that “concern about religious or political persecution in Iran would be viewed as a valid humanitarian reason for revalidating the visas of those now being barred from the United States.”


Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2620017/jimmy-carter-blocked-iran-immigrants-donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-same/#eEPcaQKrWyx0iO0X.99


ok reygun armed terrorists all over the world... traded drugs. you do know what Iran contra is don't you. How many marines died bbecause Reygun gave arms and explosives to terrorists. Reygun doctrine of talk tough and cut and run from those terroists set us up to be a target forever.

Bush lied us into a war making the ME a terrorist recruiting tool.

Carter did not allow the ME to explode which it could have when they took the hostages. How many hostages died?.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh how Bard loves his 2nd amendment. Written by slaveholders before electricity. It’s purpose to keep their human property controlled. Like the DNR controlling deer. Blacks weren't allowed to have those precious “rights” to guns, just the racist whites. A racist amendment brought to you by Bards favorite heroes - the founding fathers. Don’t get me wrong I loves this land, but we must remember it was a country founded on genocide and selling human beings.

If you love that 2nd Amendment so much, feel free to live with a wig on your head and shit in a pot while trying to survive off what you can kill with an 18th century musket. In exchange, let those of us living in this century pass some laws so we can feel safe going to class, movies, church, or a ballgame without worrying that some maladjusted freak will rain death on random strangers with a machine gun.

And please don't insult us with your macho bravado of how you are better than all those people who died in that bar. That if you were there, you would have saved everyone with your toughness. Thats a dick move.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yawn, are you spending time in the Baja bunker too?

Who taught you history? Life has always been brutal. Exodus comes to mind. France and England aren't supposed to have guns. If the Jews had guns history would have been different fool. America has enriched the world. People of all races have benefited from our founding fathers deeds. You are probably safe from attack in your mother's basement because your neighbors own guns. Crime rates skyrocketed in Australia after they took the guns away.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

"The main point to be learned here is that determining the effect of changes in Australia's gun ownership laws and the government's firearm buy-back program on crime rates requires a complex long-term analysis and can't be discerned from the small, mixed grab bag of short-term statistics offered here. And no matter what the outcome of that analysis, the results aren't necessarily applicable to the USA, where laws regarding gun ownership are (and always have been) much different than those in Australia."

As usual, there aren't going to be simple answers to complex questions. Trump notwithstanding
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Yawn, are you spending time in the Baja bunker too?

Who taught you history? Life has always been brutal. Exodus comes to mind. France and England aren't supposed to have guns. If the Jews had guns history would have been different fool. America has enriched the world. People of all races have benefited from our founding fathers deeds. You are probably safe from attack in your mother's basement because your neighbors own guns. Crime rates skyrocketed in Australia after they took the guns away.


seems your history is short term memory conveniently. well look where they are as of 2012... here is their gov stats for ya to look at... not the NRA short term distortions... ya the payback is not in a year or two it takes time to really make a dent.

http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/GunBuyback_Panel.pdf


I will make it simple for ya, page 517 the chart shows a drastic decrease in murders and murders by guns from the date these weapons were outlawed to 2006. Huge percentage... all the right wing propaganda that I have seen was made around a year after passage. now forward to 15 years later and we have 1/3 to 1/5th the amount from the gun buyback time. and this is for all types of murders. So do you realize your so called analogy thesis is blown away by the example you were trying to make. By removing guns makes all murders of all types decrease. you lemming/sheep.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Australia
Australia is generally a safe country with a low rate of crime.

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Statistics show that the homicide rate has actually decreased in almost every state since 2002.


here is another one past your pay grade, even other serious crime is way down since the 1996 banning of the guns. Just sexual assult remains the same as 1996. Kinda shoots all those lies the NRA tells ya doesn't it.
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who said "You don’t stop bad guys by taking away our guns. You stop bad guys by using our guns."?

Hint: it sure as hell wasn't Obama.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Crime rates skyrocketed in Australia after they took the guns away.

And the number of guns is private Ozzie hands is back to pre-confiscation numbers. Maybe now the crime rate will settle down.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/01/toddlers-have-shot-at-least-23-people-this-year/

The only thing that can stop a bad toddler with a gun is a good toddler with a gun!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MULLDE102f wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/01/toddlers-have-shot-at-least-23-people-this-year/

The only thing that can stop a bad toddler with a gun is a good toddler with a gun!


Our founding fathers assumed that we'd educate the populace. Alas, we've imported and produced mediocrity.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure what your your point is, other than an attempt to change the subject
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