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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:31 am Post subject: |
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One stat seems clear. Countries with a lot of guns ,like US, Somalia ,Afghanistan have high gun death rates. Countries with few guns like Japan have low gun death rates.
Countries like Belize that go from no guns to private guns ownership show dramatic increase in gun deaths, mostly from guns in the hands of mental patients and criminals.
That increase was about three thousand percent.
The NRA blocked legislation to do background checks in the US. |
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coboardhead
Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Mac
I agree, and have/do support those type of gun control measures . Mostly, because I believe that they will have some impact. However, there really is not conclusive evidence of that.
My problem is when the statistics are exaggerated, such as Pueno's numbers on Australia, or Reinerehler's comparison of Canada vs the US to make a point. It seems that we should look at why Minnesota has a low homicide rate (comparable to Canada) and other locations are much higher, when we talk about our gun problem.
Lumping the entire nation together on this issue is no different than lumping the tolerance on multi-culturism of those in the Mountain West with those in Britain. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely true in most respects CB. It is like dishonest statistician working for the Koch's. If you lump together fundamentally different populations--e.g. urban cultures and rural cultures--you will obscure whatever the data might tell you. Perhaps that is sometimes the intent. You cannot ignore the cultural factors--the United States' culture is much more violent, and hee-hah in nature than that of Canada and Australia.
I disagree about domestic violence, one of the leading murder categories, and one where the rural trends are just as strong. The requirement of some screening process entailing a wait would reduce impulse murders and suicides. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:49 am Post subject: |
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coboardhead wrote: | Lumping the entire nation together on this issue is no different than lumping the tolerance on multi-culturism of those in the Mountain West with those in Britain. |
Look how multiculturalism worked out in Europe, including the UK. Merkel ... Cameron ... failed.
Then there's Berkeley vs the rest of the world; citing some "average" tolerance -- or average anything -- across the U.S. is tantamount to the old saw about being comfortable on average with our feet in a furnace and our head in a block of ice. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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There's a coherent argument for you. Backed by facts, clear prose, and logic. |
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pueno
Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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keycocker wrote: | One stat seems clear. Countries with a lot of guns ,like US, Somalia ,Afghanistan have high gun death rates. Countries with few guns like Japan have low gun death rates. |
Why are you letting obvious, concrete, quantitative, measurable, factual data cloud and distort your opinions?
keycocker wrote: | Countries like Belize that go from no guns to private guns ownership show dramatic increase in gun deaths, mostly from guns in the hands of mental patients and criminals.
That increase was about three thousand percent. |
And there!! You've done it again!!
(Sorry -- couldn't help myself. )
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pueno
Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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coboardhead wrote: |
My problem is when the statistics are exaggerated, such as Pueno's numbers on Australia... |
I EXAGGERATED NOTHING. I quoted and cited the source. Go see for yourself.
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uwindsurf
Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17747 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Fascinating conclusion. Gun buy back led to a drop of almost 80% in gun suicide rate. That's the nasty secret the NRA doesn't want you to know. Guns in the house lead to suicide far more than to "protecting your homestead."
Hum a few bars of the favorite theme of the nutty right--I scare myself. |
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beaglebuddy
Joined: 10 Feb 2012 Posts: 1120
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | Gun buy back led to a drop of almost 80% in gun suicide rate. |
Do you think if a person is so suicidal and untrustworthy of themselves that they have to give their guns away so they don't shoot themselves they wouldn't just find another easier way to kill themselves?
What is the non gun suicide rate of people who participated in gun buy back programs?
Seems a lot easier to just overdose or stick your head in an oven.
And I thought you leftists were in favor of suicide? Assisted at least. There's a nice green government job for a liberal, help save the planet, reduce overpopulation, end suffering and help develop tasty nutritious crackers to feed the planet. |
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