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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Once again Chicago, which has the strictest gun laws on the books, proves that stricter gun laws are worthless, as compared to better education and having fathers involved in raising the kids.
Bored uneducated street kids, kill bored uneducated street kids, with no dads to help keep them out of trouble.
But continue keeping us informed frederick23, you continue to make my point. |
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J64TWB
Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 1685
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Just keeping you informed. I believe you're right for the most part NW. The problem's very complicated. 82 in a weekend is awful. |
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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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I agree also.
I wish that were the two choices. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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From the Seattle Times:
People hospitalized with a firearm injury are 30 times more likely to return to the hospital with another firearm injury than people hospitalized for other reasons. And they’re 11 times more likely to die from gun violence within the next five years, according to a study commissioned by the Seattle City Council.
Researchers at the Harborview Injury Prevention and Research Center at the University of Washington studied 20,000 patients hospitalized in King County and 77,000 hospitalized in all of Washington state in 2006 and 2007. They went back five years and forward five years, examining patients’ previous arrest and hospitalization histories.
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Implication: lifestyle is a HUGE factor in getting capped. |
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Implication: being American is a HUGE factor in getting capped.... |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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reinerehlers wrote: | Implication: being American is a HUGE factor in getting capped.... |
Of course ... but being Canadian is an even much bigger factor in being physically assaulted. It's a good thing those crazy Canadians don't have guns.
Oh, but wait ... if they could defend themselves, they wouldn't get assaulted so often. |
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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More laughable NRA arguments. Apples to oranges. I'll take assaults over 82 people shot in one weekend. I'd even take the assault if it meant stray bullets are not killing innocent children bystanders.
So are you saying that all the gun shot wounds / deaths are preventing assaults? If the guns were removed from the pubic then people would be assaulting one another instead? Sounds like a better scenario to me. It's pretty hard to walk into a school and commit a mass assault ending in multiple deaths.
I guess if guns were removed then the equivalent deterrent would be some Ninja- like dude. A potential mass assaulter would be stopped by the secret card carrying Ninjas? This is as laughable as the Clint Eastwood-like dreams these NRA nuts feed their loyal gun nuts.
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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Chicago is not in the competition for strictest gun laws.
We had stricter laws in Belize.
Less an one gun death a year from all causes even though hunting rifles are common.
Ammo is limited so hunters are careful with it and respect their weapon.
America was like this during the Founding Fathers era. |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Wow, Belize had the same demographics as Chicago, with gangs and a bunch of fatherless broken families, who like to shoot at each other, who knew? |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:48 am Post subject: |
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reinerehlers wrote: | So are you saying that all the gun shot wounds / deaths are preventing assaults? |
No. But the assaults, especially rape, decreased dramatically -- by 95% in one county in Florida -- when the public is allowed (or encouraged, even required in some towns) to carry guns. Chicago's laughable justice system refuses to enforce its very strict gun laws, just as New Mexico refused to enforce its very strict DUI laws. The results include a murder rate in Chicago comparable to that in Honduras and an Albuquerque drunk driver doing his first (brief) jail time only after he killed a SECOND family. |
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