Gun Nuts

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

I lived most of my life in a country where mainly the gov. has weapons.
The actual real world effect of that was a gunshot death rate of zero.
Even the cops didn't have to shoot anybody.
NRA types brought their guns from the US and now we have one of the highest per capita gun death rates in the world.
I was happy living in a country with no guns and was never in danger during political uprisings or during the financial collapse because guns were not needed in those situations like they they are in a heavily armed country.
Little history for anyone interested.
I have seen for myself that arming the general population makes life a LOT more dangerous. Too many as($&les in this world.

uwindsurf · Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

J64TWB · Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 1685

Mr. Gybe and bard, I would think long and hard as to why you carry a loaded weapon before you get shot by the next guy properly trained in lethal force. It seems many here who "carry" agree in the training and purpose behind.

If you think training is about "maintaing, storing and handling a dangerous weapon", your fooling yourself. Thats kids stuff. This isn't about how to hunt. We are not talking about showing your kid how to store and clean a weapon, or avoid a Cheney situation. We are talking about that nano second decision, that could haunt you for the rest of your life. If you live. "should I start pumping leaded holes in someone"? Is he going to shoot me? If your not prepared to start putting bullets in someone properly I would not be carrying a concealed handgun. What other use would you have? Are you concealing it to shoot that deer? Target practice? I don't think so.

It's not used for hunting. If you are walking around with a concealed handgun you are afraid of your safety and should be prepared and trained to use it FULLY WITH LETHAL FORCE.

Iso is absolutely right, and I would be much safer behind him than someone not trained properly. Much safer.

But the question is... why put yourself into that thinking mode? Iso has thought long and hard. Either you are going to die, someone else is going to die, maybe you go to jail, maybe you made the right decision, maybe it goes to court and your on the news like Zimmerman, maybe you just loose a leg. All in that nano second of a decision. Do they train you for that?

More likely you feel it's a power thing... or cool, maybe in your imaginary scenario, you'll be the hero to save the mall. You pull that thing out and you will be the first one shot dead by law enforcement.

Good luck with those decisions.

mrgybe · Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 5180

Thank you for your simplistic and inaccurate analysis. I do not carry a weapon. Never have. Neither does anyone I know who has completed a CC training program.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

I'm curious. For those of you that own weapons, particularly handguns, do you think about them daily, just sometimes, or almost never? Are a lot of your friends dedicated gun owners too?

I'm thinking that going for an official concealed weapon permit means you might possibly entertain the idea of carrying one around for some reason. Also, there's the idea of how much ammunition do you need. 50, 100 or maybe a 1000 or more rounds at home? Would you carry a number of extra loaded clip cartridges on your person just in case?

coboardhead · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303

Swchandler

I, probably, will not conceal carry. In fact, I never completed my permit application decades ago, when I was threatened, since I knew I would not be able to follow through. But, I sometimes have a gun in my car. Mostly, to euthanize a deer if I injure one with my car. Do I think about it daily? If it is not in the safe, yes, otherwise that would be irresponsible. Are my friends gun owners? Some hate guns, some target shoot weekly, some are NRA members, some are Chicago liberal lawyers. None carry!

One can never have too much ammo. When I go target shooting, the last thing I want to think about is going home without getting enough practice.