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isobars



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
fees seem to fluctuate based on little reason except to see what some,one will pay. This is real tough on the consumer.

Why? The rich don't care and the poor are thus subsidized by the rich. Isn't that what the left is incessantly screaming for?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac, the growth per participant costs to Medicare have been less than the growth in participant cost to the private Insurance companies. But, what is ignored in this statistic is that the private insurance companies are paying a greater share of the participants costs. With the increase in medical costs folks satisfy deductibles and maximum out of pocket contributions at a lower percentage of the total costs. This drives up the insurance company share of the costs and makes it appear that private pay insurance is less efficient at controling costs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lefties sneered when Palin discussed Obamacare's death panel.
Well, DUCK, you suckers.

From the WSJ @ http://tinyurl.com/my92whd comes
"An ObamaCare Board Answerable to No One
The 'death panel' is a new beast, with god-like powers. Congress should repeal it or test its constitutionality."

Excerpt:
"For a vivid illustration of the extent to which life-and-death medical decisions have already been usurped by government bureaucrats, consider the recent refusal by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to waive the rules barring access by 10-year old Sarah Murnaghan to the adult lung-transplant list. A judge ultimately intervened and Sarah received a lifesaving transplant June 12. But the grip of the bureaucracy will clamp much harder once the Independent Payment Advisory Board gets going in the next two years.

The board will control more than a half-trillion dollars of federal spending annually ... with "no administrative or judicial review" of the board's decisions. Its members will be nearly untouchable, too. They will be presidentially nominated and Senate-confirmed, but after that they can only be fired for "neglect of duty or malfeasance in office." The board's decisions can be overruled only by Congress, and only through unprecedented and constitutionally dubious legislative procedures—featuring restricted debate, short deadlines for actions by congressional committees and other steps of the process, and supermajoritarian voting requirements."

Do you want your kids to live or die under the edict of this monstrosity?
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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Gallup poll, reported by ... hell ... virtually every network: 41% of all small businesses have frozen hiring because of the costs of Obamacare.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Fick-shun wrote:
New Gallup poll, reported by ... hell ... virtually every network: 41% of all small businesses have frozen hiring because of the costs of Obamacare.

And is that cost caused by Obamacare, or is that cost caused by the obscene profiteering of the health insurance industry?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pueno wrote:
Mr. Fick-shun wrote:
New Gallup poll, reported by ... hell ... virtually every network: 41% of all small businesses have frozen hiring because of the costs of Obamacare.

And is that cost caused by Obamacare, or is that cost caused by the obscene profiteering of the health insurance industry?
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Pueno, if they are making so much money, why don't you buy their stocks? Or, even better, why don't you start your own health insurance company?
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got my yearly physical. My Blue cross only covered one test. The others were billed at $105 to $130 each. The ins. company had made a deal with the lab to only charge $7 to $11 for the tests to the ins.
As a client of theirs I got the same deal so they were happy with that.
Pure fraud.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On April 4 the Oracle spake thus regarding the implementation of ACA:
mrgybe wrote:
With only a few months to go a significant number of states have declined to construct exchanges (and Federal contingency planning seems lacking), businesses are confused, and the vast majority of the general public has no idea what to expect or what they will need to do. Perhaps all this will work itself out in the next few months. I'm not optimistic and would not be surprised to see a delayed implementation.

It's such a burden to always be right.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:

Pueno, if they are making so much money, why don't you buy their stocks? Or, even better, why don't you start your own health insurance company?

How do you know I haven't done those things?

Oh, wait, I get it.

To do those things would be hypocritical of me, and you know I'm a leftie, so you realize that I'm not a hypocrite.

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
On April 4 the Oracle spake thus regarding the implementation of ACA:
mrgybe wrote:
With only a few months to go a significant number of states have declined to construct exchanges (and Federal contingency planning seems lacking), businesses are confused, and the vast majority of the general public has no idea what to expect or what they will need to do. Perhaps all this will work itself out in the next few months. I'm not optimistic and would not be surprised to see a delayed implementation.

It's such a burden to always be right.

However, any delay may not be a good thing when it comes to the midterm elections.
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Obama Administration Delays Health Care Law Employer Penalty Until 2015
Republican former CBO director calls decision "deviously brilliant"

By Zeke J Miller @zekejmillerJuly 02, 2013

The Obama Administration announced on Tuesday that it is delaying implementing a key component of the Affordable Care Act for a year following complaints from the private sector about reporting requirements.

The so-called employer mandate, which penalizes employers with more than 50 employees if they fail to provide a minimum standard of affordable health insurance, was set to kick in in 2014, but now will take effect in 2015, the Treasury Department announced in a blog post first reported by Bloomberg News. The delay not only allows the Administration time to alleviate concerns among business owners, but also takes a controversial component of the law off the table before the midterm elections.

The vast majority of employers that already provide coverage to their employees raised concerns about burdensome reporting requirements under the law, a complaint the Administration is particularly sensitive to. Companies that don’t meet the law’s requirements now have an extra year to alter their policies.

“We have been in a dialogue with businesses and we think we can simplify the new reporting — we want to give businesses who want to provide health insurance the time to get this right,” a senior Administration official said, explaining the delay. “Just like our effort to turn the 21-page application for health insurance into a three-page application, we are working hard to adapt and to be flexible in employer and insurer reporting as we implement the law.”

The delay deprives the federal government of a year of penalties that would have been paid by companies that do not meet the law’s requirements, with as yet unknown budgetary effects. Republicans had warned of a downturn in hiring as a result of the mandate.

The so-called individual mandate is unaffected by the rule change. That provision requires the vast majority of Americans to purchase insurance or pay a penalty, with tax credits provided to those who can’t afford coverage.

Republican former Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Holtz-Eakin called the move “deviously brilliant,” by removing a potential electoral impediment from in front of congressional Democrats before the midterms.

“Democrats no longer face the immediate specter of running against the fallout from a heavy regulatory imposition on employers across the land,” Holtz-Eakin wrote. “Explaining away the mandate was going to be a big political lift; having the White House airbrush it from the landscape is way better.”

The Administration will publish formal guidance on the rule change within the next week.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/07/02/obama-administration-delays-healthcare-law-employer-penalty-until-2015/#ixzz2XzgkaitK

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