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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
Dems are 100% responsible for the success or failure of this monstrosity.

Including the single absolutely critical vote Obama bought with a false promise to the congressman who cast it expressly for that lie.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, Stevenbard, I have asked this question to folks who show the sort of disdain for the ACA that you have. The US spent well over $8000 per year per capita on health care in 2009, prior to implementation of the ACA. What should we have been doing? How would you propose cutting health care costs? Or is it O.K. for us to spend this sort of coin?
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tech problem

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dems may fail to fix the monster that healthcare has become.
The GOP has already failed miserably in their weak attempts to do so.
Now their program is to make sure Americans continue to struggle.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following commentary by Ezra Klein in today's Washington Post is an interesting one about the ACA focusing on what it will cost some of us for health insurance premiums. As I've found so often in the past, Klein's take on things is pragmatic and straightforward in nature.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/01/the-shocking-truth-about-obamacares-rate-shock/?hpid=z4
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SWC...thanks for the link.

What I find amazing is that so few folks understand that the ACA is really an insurance reform law. Health care costs what it costs. The ACA really just rearranges how these costs are distributed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
What I find amazing is that so few folks understand that the ACA is really an insurance reform law. Health care costs what it costs. The ACA really just rearranges how these costs are distributed.

We understand that ... and the fact that insurance costs are increasing very dramatically due to the ACA, on top of any increases in the cost of medicine. We also resent the holy hell out of a president who lied to a Congressman to get his deciding vote, who got caught on tape admitting that his now-10-15-year goal is socialized medicine (literally, taxpayer-funded government-managed health care), and who we now know lied and/or was totally wrong about many major elements of O'care.

Insisting it be called the ACA changes none of those facts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
What I find amazing is that so few folks understand that the ACA is really an insurance reform law. Health care costs what it costs. The ACA really just rearranges how these costs are distributed.

We understand that ... and the fact that insurance costs are increasing very dramatically due to the ACA, on top of any increases in the cost of medicine. We also resent the holy hell out of a president who lied to a Congressman to get his deciding vote, who got caught on tape admitting that his now-10-15-year goal is socialized medicine (literally, taxpayer-funded government-managed health care), and who we now know lied and/or was totally wrong about many major elements of O'care.

Insisting it be called the ACA changes none of those facts.


No kidding!

Two-Thirds of Americans Don't Know If They Will Insure Under Obamacare
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100783056

IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family

Part of me thinks that it is common knowledge w/in the White House that O'care will fail under the mass size and confusion of trying to administer the program. But that's no problem, because by then the commoners (us) will be so desprate for something simpler, that a single payer plan will seem like an improvement.
The old bait and switch.
But that might not work out either, the WH seems to be pretty poor at predicting how the commoners will react. Afterall Obamacare is not an example of freedom.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Obamacare is not an example of freedom.

Especially with the IRS in charge. You poor uninformed lefties will not comprehend the information coming out about that operation even before the full investigation hits the fan. People who should be heading for federal prison are getting extended paid vacations and six-figure performance bonuses, and links to Holder and the White House are solidifying as we type. EVERY Cincinnati IRS worker whose political affiliation is available via public records is registered left of the GOP, thus not generally "hamstrung" by having burdensome moral values.

I've witnessed this kind of BS first-hand; it's common among people with power and no morals. Some instances I was able to stop via whistleblowing, one wasn't worth falling on my sword about, and some I found less obvious and much more clever ways to stop.
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