Pipe dream? Obamacare

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

All you did was mention your own opinion about what you think might take place, overpower.
Accusing Mac of this while doing it yourself...
You forgot to use facts and proof that ACA will do a bunch of terrible things.
I don't support big gov. programs like this but I am a big fan of the facts.
Got any?
I also lived most of my life under socialized medicine from France and Belize.
That is why I know that a system where each person carries their own insurance , bought on the open market from private companies is a far different thing.
So does the Socialist Party who opposes Ocare because it is not socialized medicine.
If you read through these threads and Factcheck, reading esp. Coboardheads posts you will find a lot apof answers.
For example no person here , or Obama ,thinks that The ACA is perfect and they all say so ,including Obama.
It is a big complex problem and Dems want us to give it a real try like you said and blame Obama if it doesn't work.
Seems fair enough.
The GOP governeris and staff are blocking folks in some states from finding out how to buy the most reasonable rates and packages.
Those folks should be in jail.

overpwr · Joined: 29 Jul 2013 Posts: 18

The biggest problem I see is how fragile the economy is to gamble into a program where no one really knows what really is about. And I am sorry, if you honestly rely on the information that has been supplied by the government, and posted on this forum as unquestionable truth, it just shows me that you did not learned much from your past experiences. Proof? You will get it as soon as the plan is entirely implemented, so why not do it now? Why wait until after elections? And by the way, coming from France, where you have one of Europe's highest levels of unemployment among young men under the age of 30 should also give you an idea that there is a large group of the population that pretty much works only to get health benefits and unemployment, once that is being given as an entitlement, why go to work? And no work, no taxes being paid, no business growing, and you got a bunch of young people going to the streets burning cars and destroying everything, wasn't all of that footage enough proof? Keycocker, no one knows what we are buying! Forced to buy. And by the way, the initial plan did involve fines and prison time if you did not buy into one of the government's plans. And we are going to have the IRS supervising all this??? Really? You agree with that??

coboardhead · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303

No prison time for failure to obtain healthcare insurance. Fine is simply deducted from your tax refund...if there is any. That is all the IRS does is administer this penalty.

Sorry that you distrust the government so much. Some young folks resent buying insurance because they do not think they need it. But, when they crash into another sailer and need medical care they expect it will be available for free.

There will be no excuse for not having insurance now. If you decide to play rebel and not carry insurance good luck with receiving free care when you get hurt or sick. Providers may not be as generous as they are now! They have made concessions on fees because a wider number of patients they are currently treating for free will now have insurance.

boggsman1 · Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

In America under the ACA those young men would need to buy insurance.
Your response was kinda fact free overpower, but thanks for taking the time to express your opinion.
Opinions without any support are welcome here too.
The complaint about ACA that people know nothing does not apply to everyone, unless you live in a GOP state that is suppressing info.
Do You have a sourceofcorrect information than rises above us down here depending on the media, and chats with my doctors and ins. agent?
We would rather not trust the gov. either. Where are your better sources?

overpwr · Joined: 29 Jul 2013 Posts: 18

We will be adding millions of people into a system that does not have enough doctors, equipment, medicine, etc, to support what we have now.
The quality of the services will diminish because the quality of the doctors and the amount of time designated per client will be reduced. That's a fact! In general the quality of the service will get worst and worst with time until anyone who can afford a private plan will buy one. At that point, you will have the Government taking money directly from your account and you will pay extra to have better quality doctors take care of you and your family. And no, I don't trust the government and with everything that happens everyday around the world, with Governments from all countries, I can't believe you do. What will this entitlement do to make people get out of their butts to go to work? Now they have an even better excuse to stay home.

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

I respect your opinion that the quality of service will reduce but , surely you know an opinion from a fact.
I have not ever heard a poster here say that he trusts tne USGov,. or governments in general.
You invented that idea and assigned it to us.
Wouldn't it be wise to read through the back posts before telling us what we think?
Try posting this
Mr. Head
Director
CoBoardCare institute
Sir,
Your wife is a doctor. She think care will be worse? She would know better than me.
Signed Overpowr.

overpwr · Joined: 29 Jul 2013 Posts: 18

Keycocker, your doctors don't know, not even the insurance agents you deal with, because ACA is not completed. They are lying if they say they do. Mr. Obama is trying to figure out what he is willing to put into effect before the elections cause he knows by the time we all figure out what is in it and all the costs involved, people will be pissed! . Don't get angry, just except that until this bill is fully implemented, none of us will know what is in it. That's why I was suggesting that we should have this pass right now for its entirety, no exemptions to anyone or any business. I am sure you will than find out how much trust you should give your government. Remember Nancy P. telling us to vote on the bill first if we want it to find out what is in it? Do you know how stupid it was for us to go ahead with it? Would you buy a car from anyone who would try to sell it to you under those circumstances? If you do , please let me know, I can hook you up.

boggsman1 · Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer

overpwr...take a deep breath. If the ACA was a bad as you think it will be, Mr Romney would be president right now. In fact, the ACA looks a lot like RomneyCare, which works.

overpwr · Joined: 29 Jul 2013 Posts: 18

Boogsman, I want it to be positive. What I know is from seen people very sick in line, waiting for hours to see the receptionist. From there, they were guided into a huge warehouse full of sick people that were already there for hours before been able to see a doctor. I had a cousin that died inside of a waiting room like the one I describe it, so I have seen first hand how bad it can be. What makes hard to compare the outcome of what is going on in Massachusetts, and the entire country is the number of the population that pays into the system in order to support it. Have you had a chance to look into unemployment numbers and length/duration filed by the individuals who were able to get back into the work force? Socialized medicine requires a lot of money and people paying into the system in order to have a chance to work. So far, no country in the world has been able to support an efficient and positive outcome, maybe Mr. Obama knows something no one else knows...ever...hope it works, we will see.