Pipe dream? Obamacare

[swchandler]

"...the incessant attacks on the immigrants themselves largely leave blameless the businesses who hire immigrants without checking their status,..."


In my view, this is the keystone of our problem. Without it, there would be a precipitous drop in illegal immigration. By the way, I have no problem with the term "illegal immigrants", because that's what they are. They have immigrated to this country illegally. That said, it is pretty damn clear to me that the majority of folks really don't have a serious problem with the fact that a notable percentage of our population, particularly here in California, are Hispanics that migrated here illegally. It is demonstrated by the fact that they can live in our communities without difficulty. They can get jobs, rent property, spend their money, and most importantly find community both socially and economically. Ever drive out of town and search for a radio station to listen to? Hispanics have their own radio stations, and in addition, they have their own TV stations and newspapers. Their influence is huge. Any that deny it are only fooling themselves.

Let me add an important point. Illegal immigrants leverage off of one of America's stellar virtues. Acceptance. Without it, illegal immigration would be virtually impossible. Of course, there are those that have a welling hate for outsiders, or anybody who might be viewed as different, but in America they are the exception. Some here might spend some time looking back through our history. It's all there to see. But overall, time after time, we Americans prove that we are an accepting society that welcomes those that want to get ahead in the world.

[coboardhead]

Mac...You did not mis-spell immigrant. I did. My point was that you came down pretty hard on Techno for his use of the term "illegal immigrant".

I like Boggsman's description of why some might find the term offensive. But, frankly, I never thought of it could be considered offensive before your calling Techno on it. You know we do say that a remodel without a permit is an "illegal remodel" but, do not brand the homeowner an "illegal remodeler".

Even though I understand your point a bit better now, I still believe we need to get beyond worrying too much about how people describe things. I would much rather have someone involved in the dialogue than be afraid they will say something politically incorrect.

Boggsman...I agree that providing health care to...er...undocumented folks...does make economic sense, especially for prenatal and children.

[mrgybe]

[coboardhead]

Mrgybe has an important point. In the construction industry here, one of the concrete contractors uses only documented workers. They are insured, pay payroll taxes etc. Another contractor is not so above board. It is not fair to either the rule-abiding workers or business owners for us to blatantly look the other way.

[boggsman1]

[swchandler]

"Yet liberals are obsessed with the sensibilities of those who chose to ignore the rules, jumped the line, and who frequently broke other laws in order to remain here."


One has to wonder whether mrgybe believes that it's the liberals that are offering all the jobs and providing housing for illegal immigrants. Based on his dialog, it seems like it.

[isobars]

[mac]

Inquiring minds want to know--is this "Facism?"

[boggsman1]

ISO, Im with you. How do you suppose a broken down retired dude from the tri-cities, and a financial hack in SF get the big giant companies in the US like Kraft , and Monsanto from employing these hardened criminals ? I'm all ears tough guy...its absolutely hilarious to see all the rightys today, and think that if Ronald Reagan ran for the nomination of the GOP, he wouldnt stand a chance.

[isobars]