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mac



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean they are lying? Like they did, and still do on WMD in Iraq, and virtually everything on Benghazi?

Aren't these the same guys that tried to impeach Clinton for lying about--a blow job? What leaders!
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The closing comments of "The Coming Two-Tier Health System
ObamaCare is already creating one class of care for the poor and middle class and another for the affluent."
at http://tinyurl.com/mxvp44c are:
As America doubles down on government authority over health care, Europeans with the means to do so are increasingly circumventing their own centralized systems. In Britain, even though they're already paying for the National Health Service, six million Brits—two-thirds of citizens earning more than $78,700—now buy private health insurance. Meanwhile, more than 50,000 travel out of the U.K. annually, spending more than $250 million, to receive treatment more readily than they can at home. Even in Sweden, the mother of all welfare nations, half a million Swedes now use private insurance, up from 100,000 a decade ago.

Unless ObamaCare is drastically altered, America's health care will also become even more divided, with rising inequality. Just as in the U.K. and other countries where governments take an outsize role in dictating health-care policy, only the lower and middle classes in America will suffer the full consequences of ObamaCare.

Dr. Atlas is a physician and a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the fake news idea that we once had a great fair one tier health care system with justice for all and now we have English style socialized medicine.
Truth is not any part of this.
I spent most of my life under an English style social medicine system administered by the English Gov.
I used private doctors outside the system because I am rich gringo in that world. The ACA has nothing in common with English socialized medicine.
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mac



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait a minute, is Isobars actually trying to say that America did not have a two tier system with businesses paying for insurance for the Middle Class--and trying to figure out ways to stop, and the poor using the emergency room?

Thinking used to be common in the United States.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker wrote:

Truth is not any part of this.

Are you suggesting that Mr. Fick-shun lives, breathes, and spews fiction?
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mac



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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems appropriate about the world view that always resists change:

Do You See a Pattern Here?
Conservatives opposed the American Revolution.
Liberals won.
Conservatives supported slavery.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed Blacks and women voting.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed stopping child labor.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed a minimum wage.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed the 40 hour work week.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed the 8 hour work day.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed workplace safety regulation.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed unemployment insurance.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed workmen's compensation.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed compulsory education.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed Social Security.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed Medicare.
Liberals won.
Conservatives opposed Obamacare.
Liberals won.

Don't know the original author.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, as denied but expected, the ACA has led to a new regulation that insurance companies which lose money paying for all this ideological boondoggle WILL BE BAILED OUT BY THE TAXPAYERS.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Fick-shun wrote:
And, as denied but expected, the ACA has led to a new regulation that insurance companies which lose money paying for all this ideological boondoggle WILL BE BAILED OUT BY THE TAXPAYERS.

And how is that different from your situation, Mikey?

The taxpayers pay for all your VA medical care PLUS your disability.

You are the definition of a hypocrite.

Oh, wait..... my mistake.

You're different, you're special.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the VA has proven to be the envy of the world, and the model for Obamacare, as touted by his administration.

My father 30 years ago called the VA a "butcher's house", and they did butcher my uncle a few years ago.

It has only gotten worse under this massive federal control. It should be split into 50 states like the old health system we had. (much easier to fire lousy administrators)
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard, you're not so poorly informed to suggest that the VA and the ACA are similar in any way?
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