Pipe dream? Obamacare

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keycocker said:

[keycocker]

I see a lot more numbers than that widely published.
I can look them up and post them if you like.
I see that about the same number of Americans have signed up outside the exchanges like myself. They are unsubsidized.
That makes it 14 million, mostly not subsidized.
I go with the prevailing opinion that Ocare has not solved all our problems but is meeting its goals if that matters, and will never be considered a success by talk radio conservatives.
The standards set by the far right, like the 7million, wil always be changed to make O "look bad". Or they will invent numbers like 6million subsidized to explain away any success small or large.

It dont care for big gov. programs like this but the lies told by the radio guys about this really offend me.
Have you ever heard about the polls showing support for the ACA is twice as great as support for Obamacare? We are being lied to nonstop and conservatives are buying it hook line and sinker

[swchandler]

"But wasn't Obamacare sold based upon the strategy that there would be enough full paying customers to cover the subsidized customers?"


Things are getting twisted here. There are many reasons why the ACA was passed into law. One very important reason was to bring more economical health insurance pricing to folks that weren't able to obtain group plan type pricing from their employer. Another important reason was to guarantee health insurance to folks with a pre-existing health condition. This is where you might have missed a turn. It was promoted that mandated participation would cover the costs for folks with a pre-existing condition. Also, it would ensure that more young folks would buy health insurance. It broadens the base to keep pricing low overall.

The issue of subsidizing low income workers was a way to help working folks, particularly those with families, to buy health insurance. This kind of assistance helps make the cost of insurance more reasonable for lower income folks trying to get ahead. For those living in poverty, there's Medicare. When you think about it, it makes sense. And, as we all know full well, healthcare has nothing to do with one's financial status. With or without the ACA or Medicare, someone has to pay for those that don't have health insurance.

Regarding the enrollment process and the numbers, it must be remembered that the ACA is being phased-in over time. The penalties for not buying health insurance are quite low up front. I would bet that 3-4 years from now, you will have more folks buying health insurance and fewer folks uninsured. Overnight miracles are a fantasy, so why do you get so anxious and worked up about the numbers right now. If I were you, I would take a break from the Fox News world, and free yourself from the forced fed anti-ACA BS coming from the right. When you think about, they've got nothing to offer that can be viewed as healthcare reform if the ACA was repealed.

[techno900]

sw, key,

WE ALL KNOW THE POSITIVES of Obamacare, my issue is the cost and sustainability over time without sacrificing quality of care and access to the best doctors . There are a huge number of issues that have yet to be resolved or even identified, so I will remain skeptical for some time.

Many of the "lies" from the right and or talk radio aren't really lies. They are biased/politicized projections/guesses of what may be in store for us down the road. Many may prove to be true, many may not.

I just wish the "transparency" promise/pledge from Obama had just a little merit to it. In the mean time, we just have to keep guessing as to the facts of the rollout.

[keycocker]

When a projection, guess, or theory is taken as fact by the listeners and widely repeated as such, it is a lie.

How often do you hear the fake press do the same as the "leader in fake news the Comedy Channel" when they turn to the audience and say
" Remember. We just make this stuff up."?
Never.
Talk Radio Conservatives believe a long line of stuff they heard on the fake press and often have no clue that it is untrue.
The whole birther thing was just a theory that turned out false, right?
And conservatives all know that ?

If a politicized projection is made by Obama and turns out not to work out, that will be called a lie until the end of time. And a lack of transparency.
Such statements made in the fake press are not considered lies.
Right?
Note that I am not defending Obama, I am regretting the acceptance of the fake media by conservatives as fact and the double standards of truth.
This has left many conservatives confused, ineffective, and lost in a world they do not understand.

[swchandler]

"WE ALL KNOW THE POSITIVES of Obamacare, my issue is the cost and sustainability over time without sacrificing quality of care and access to the best doctors . There are a huge number of issues that have yet to be resolved or even identified, so I will remain skeptical for some time.

Many of the "lies" from the right and or talk radio aren't really lies. They are biased/politicized projections/guesses of what may be in store for us down the road. Many may prove to be true, many may not."


What do you think about right wing folks that are whining all the time and are consistently focused on all the bad things that can happen? It's a perpetual negativity game.

Why do you gravitate and bond with these folks and their unseemly messages? Were they really concerned at all about all the problems with health care and its delivery before the ACA? Did they really want healthcare reform?

I guess it' fair to ask you, do you think that we needed to have healthcare reform? Aside from that, and given the fact that it has now been reformed and favors private health insurance companies and healthcare providers, do you think that the ACA should be repealed or changed?

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[nw30]

[swchandler]

NW30, there's a big difference between fiction and non-fiction.

Much coming from the right these days is total fiction, and the theme is negativity.

[nw30]

Beside the point.