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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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From the latest good news about the costs of the ACA, there is some suggestion that healthcare insurance costs are projected go up in 2015, and then flatten out and even possibly decrease over time. As one might expect, Republicans are praying feverishly for the costs to go up for 2015, because the timing for them is perfect. It's usually in November that everyone makes their yearly selection decision regarding the plans available to them in the upcoming year. If insurance companies re-adjust their rates upward costing both the government and individuals more, a strong anti-ACA message from Republicans may be enough to influence on-the-fence voters in the mid-term elections to give them a majority in the Senate. It's a moment in time that makes it or breaks it for Republicans and their ability to kill the ACA. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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techno900 wrote: | When it comes to telling lies about Obamacare, you might be on thin ice when you point your finger at the Republicans. |
Especially when the biggest Obamacare lies, hands down, and probably the biggest policy lies in modern political history, came straight from The Man's teleprompter at least 26 times. |
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uwindsurf
Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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“In the Netherlands, people wear different bracelets if they are elderly. And the bracelet is: ‘Do not euthanize me.’ Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands but half of the people who are euthanized — ten percent of all deaths in the Netherlands — half of those people are enthanized involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. They go to another country, because they are afraid, because of budget purposes, they will not come out of that hospital if they go in there with sickness.”
— Former senator Rick Santorum, at the American Heartland Forum in Columbia, Missouri, Feb. 3, 2012
These were interesting remarks by one of the leading candidates for the GOP nomination. Though Santorum made this observation earlier in the month, a video of his comments only circulated on the web over the weekend and a number of readers asked whether he is correct. (His comments also spawned headlines in Holland, such as one that proclaimed: “Rick Santorum Thinks He Knows the Netherlands: Murder of the Elderly on a Grand Scale.”)
So we will check his statistics — 10 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands are from euthanasia and 50 percent of those die involuntarily — and also his claim that the elderly wear bracelets requesting that they not be euthanized...There appears to be not a shred of evidence to back up Santorum’s claims about euthanasia in the Netherlands. It is telling that his campaign did not even bother to defend his comments."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/euthanasia-in-the-netherlands-rick-santorums-bogus-statistics/2012/02/21/gIQAJaRbSR_blog.html |
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pueno
Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Fick-shun wrote: | Especially when the biggest Obamacare lies, hands down, and probably the biggest policy lies in modern political history, came straight from The Man's teleprompter at least 26 times. |
Come on, Rush... Have you been listening to that Mike Fick again?
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uwindsurf
Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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So, I wondered about “Bette in Spokane”, mentioned in the official GOP SOTU response. I wondered how she could face a $700 a month increase in premiums, and speculated that she must have had “a really bare-bones policy offering hardly any protection.”
Well, now we know, and I was right: her previous plan was catastrophic coverage only, with a $10,000 deductible — and the “$700 a month more” was the most expensive option offered by her insurer. She didn’t go to the healthcare.gov website, where she could have found cheaper plans.
So this wasn’t sticker shock, at least as described. This was someone finding out that the ACA requires that you have a minimum level of insurance, and that minimalist plans are no longer allowed — and it was also Ms. Rodgers misrepresenting what had happened.
Oh, and why isn’t catastrophic coverage only allowed? For the same reason we have a coverage mandate in the first place: everyone has to be in the risk pool. If you’re allowed to have insurance that barely covers anything, that’s almost the same as not participating at all.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/bette-in-spokane-blogging/?_php=true&_type=blogs&module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body&_r=0 |
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techno900
Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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youwindsurf said: Quote: | Oh, and why isn’t catastrophic coverage only allowed? For the same reason we have a coverage mandate in the first place: everyone has to be in the risk pool. If you’re allowed to have insurance that barely covers anything, that’s almost the same as not participating at all. |
And no participation means that there won't be enough money to pay for those that get the subsidized Obamacare. So much for the freedom to choose one's own health care insurance options.
I wonder when, or if we will here how many of the 7 million that signed up for Obamacare will be subsidized. Don't hold your breath. |
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uwindsurf
Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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techno900 wrote: | youwindsurf said: Quote: | Oh, and why isn’t catastrophic coverage only allowed? For the same reason we have a coverage mandate in the first place: everyone has to be in the risk pool. If you’re allowed to have insurance that barely covers anything, that’s almost the same as not participating at all. |
And no participation means that there won't be enough money to pay for those that get the subsidized Obamacare. So much for the freedom to choose one's own health care insurance options.
I wonder when, or if we will here how many of the 7 million that signed up for Obamacare will be subsidized. Don't hold your breath. |
I guess you missed this part: "She didn’t go to the healthcare.gov website, where she could have found cheaper plans." |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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techno900 wrote: | I wonder when, or if we will hear how many of the 7 million that signed up for Obamacare will be subsidized. |
We won't even find out how many of the those 7M are ACTUALLY enrolled, how many had insurance before Ocare, how many had preexisting conditions, how many are subsidized, or much more. Why? Because now that the administration shifted Census Bureau control to the White House, the questions it asks of the populace are designed by the administration (a la Pravda). Rather than ask, "Were you uninsured before the ACA?" or "Did your insurance costs increase?", or "Have you ever been denied health care insurance?", they will now ask, "How is your day going?", "Did you put a policy in your cart?", and "Will you be voting next year?".
This is unbelievable, and the media, whose responsibility to the world is to critically challenge the government as part of our checks and balance system, is complicit. |
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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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The problem lies mainly in the easily fooled conservatives who repeat lobbyist lies almost nonstop like Iso.
Army of fools pretending to be well informed as their minds grow weaker each day. |
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keycocker
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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The reason the conservative Heritage Foundation included the mandate was so the one third of Americans who have been passing their health costs on to taxpayers would have some skin in the game.
It is about personal responsibility.
We are already paying that money out techno in the current broken system. |
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